topic Re: Forum question in Intel® Fortran Compiler

Forum question

gib — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:35:21 GMT

In order to satisfy my curiosity, not as a criticism: why is this forum program so extremely slow to respond? It isn't quite what one would expect from a company that is number one in hardware and also a significant force in software development.

Re: Forum question

anthonyrichards — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:08:43 GMT

Quoting - gib

That it looks a very 'busy' web page and there is lots to download each time probably contributes to its slowness in loading. Plus, I think the forum software is 'outsourced' to I-don't-know-who.

Re: Forum question

Steven_L_Intel1 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:32:03 GMT

I've had the same complaint. I can't explain why it is so slow. I will pass your complaint on to the forum keepers.

Re: Forum question

rase — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:35:04 GMT

I have the impression that the response times at weekends are even longer. Either the users of the forum are nerds working 24/7, or the firm running the servers saves on reducing the ressources, or both.

Re: Forum question

Jugoslav_Dujic — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:47:51 GMT

Quoting - rase

Worse still, if you compose a long post, hit "Add my Post" and receive infamous "Gateway inaccessible 504" or whatever it's called, "Back" button gives you a nasty surprise: all your effort has gone.

The more it changes, the more it stays the same: back with some software version of this Forum I acquired a habit to Ctrl+C all the contents before submitting, for the same reason. I see I'm going to have to re-acquire it...

Re: Forum question

jimdempseyatthecove — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:58:47 GMT

The 504 problem hits me too, most often on the long posts. Sometimes though a "Back" on IE gets back to the forum question page (likely cached in IE). I resort to copying message to clipboard prior to "Add your Post" or composing in Notepad or Word.

Lag times in navigating the forum sometimes exceeds 30 seconds. There is no excuse for presenting a public presence with such poor response time.

This is not good PR for Intel. If Intel is outsourcing the website you should have a QoS agreement, if not, insist on one "Minimum response time of n seconds" should be part of it. If Intel is providing the web server then I would expect them to be "red faced" enough to fix the problem.

Jim Dempsey

Re: Forum question

Steven_L_Intel1 — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:18:28 GMT

Thanks for all of these comments - it helps get some traction. The servers are hosted externally.

Re: Forum question

Les_Neilson — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:58:34 GMT

Adding my 2 euros.
When I click on a thread or click next/previous thread I frequently get the "IE cannot display the page" message, clicking refresh at this pointalsogives the error.

I'm using IE7
(In a way I'm glad I'm not the only one, I wasthinking aboutgoing to our systems people to see if there was a problem with our firewall or ISP)

Les

Re: Forum question

Steven_L_Intel1 — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:23:54 GMT

The forum gods made some changes that definitely improve things for me. How do you folks see it now?

Re: Forum question

jarvusluntatintel — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:03:40 GMT

It is still pretty slow. I also go to google advanced searchwhenever I want to search this forum. For instance, searching on OpenMP from within this Intel site took about 30 seconds. The same search from google advanced search came up within a second (maybe Intel's search is more comprehensive?)

Re: Forum question

Steven_L_Intel1 — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:32:27 GMT

We actually use a Google Appliance to do the site searches, but it's not as capable as the zillions of servers that Google itself uses. It's also shared across all users of intel.com.

I agree that the forum is slow, but it is better than it had been. We're continuing to work on things and appreciate the input.

Re: Forum question

DavidWhite — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:45:46 GMT

Steve,

The other action that is so slow that one does not always know that it has been recognised is Forum Tools / Mark Forum as Read. After clicking, nothing happens, not even the progress bar at the bottom. Sometimes the progress bar appears after 10-20 seconds, otherwise nothing. I think evenetually the command does get through and it completes, but some interim response to show that something is happening would be helpful.

David

Re: Forum question

ArturGuzik — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:49:22 GMT

I would like to emphasize on a need of searching capabilites improvements. The standard search returns many unrelated references as it seems to be no option to narrow down the search to, say, current (or any specific) Forum (is it?), date etc. At least I'm unaware of it. It makes a search very difficult, especially wanting to find a relevant reference to another thread.

If I switch to advanced search, and query Fortran calls vb.net dll I get 54 links, however, can see first 7 only, as clicking other page numbers does nothing (in my FF) and still the same 7 is displayed. Is this my fault or web page bug?

A.

Re: Forum question

gib — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:08:04 GMT

Quoting - ArturGuzik

If I switch to advanced search, and query Fortran calls vb.net dll I get 54 links, however, can see first 7 only, as clicking other page numbers does nothing (in my FF) and still the same 7 is displayed. Is this my fault or web page bug?

A.

It's not your fault, I see the same thing (Mozilla Firefox 3.0.5).

Re: Forum question

Les_Neilson — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:32:25 GMT

There are three "search" options shown on the page (a) search this thread (b) below My Profile (with an advanced search option) and (c) at the top of the page (alongside Work Play Support etc)
It would be nice have the choice to limit the search tothe forum.

Les

Re: Forum question

jarvusluntatintel — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:53:10 GMT

Quoting - ArturGuzik

Which is why I use google to search this Fortran forum. For instance, to search on OpenMP,inside the main google searchbar:

OpenMP site:http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/intel-visual-fortran-compiler-for-windows/

Re: Forum question

Steven_L_Intel1 — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:03:34 GMT

You can search just this forum from the forum main page - where you see Search This thread for a thread, you'll see Search This Forum.

Re: Forum question

g_f_thomas — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:53:00 GMT

Quoting - jarvus lunt

Quoting - ArturGuzik

I would like to emphasize on a need of searching capabilites improvements. The standard search returns many unrelated references as it seems to be no option to narrow down the search to, say, current (or any specific) Forum (is it?), date etc. At least I'm unaware of it. It makes a search very difficult, especially wanting to find a relevant reference to another thread.

If I switch to advanced search, and query Fortran calls vb.net dll I get 54 links, however, can see first 7 only, as clicking other page numbers does nothing (in my FF) and still the same 7 is displayed. Is this my fault or web page bug?

A.

Which is why I use google to search this Fortran forum. For instance, to search on OpenMP,inside the main google searchbar:

OpenMP site:http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/intel-visual-fortran-compiler-for-windows/

Lately, as soon as I noticed that what was formally called an Intel Fortran Windows Application in VS 2003 had been rechristened a Windowing Application in VS 2005/8, I looked it up in the online help which merely mentions the relabeling but doesn't elaborate. So I searched the forum and it turned up one incidental reference. Next I googledIntel Fortran Windowing Application which responded with a 'did you mean Intel Fortran Windows Application' and issued all it found on the matter with not a hit on any one's brand of Windowing. I asked around and no one heard of the termWindowing Application in the current context. I'm more than familiar with the term windowing when it comes to filtering data and such but this new Intel Windowing has me stumped. So where on the Intel site do I search next?

Gerry

Re: Forum question

Steven_L_Intel1 — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:48:37 GMT

Gerry,

I was unaware that the terminology had changed. I see that the documentation has not caught up with this. My guess is that we had too many customers selecting "Fortran Windows Application" when what they wanted was a Console Application.

The descriptions of the project types are in the compiler documentation, under Building Applications > Building Applications from Microsoft Developer Studio > About Fortran Project Types. This text still says "Windows Application". I will get this resolved.

Re: Forum question

g_f_thomas — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:34:48 GMT

Quoting - Steve Lionel (Intel)

Steve,

The only thing that has to be resolved really is that the appellation Windowing be removed from the IDE and the documentation, an ambiguous intrusion that ought not to have sneaked in in the first place. At least the anonymous purveyor of Intel Fortran project types didn't relabel Console Application to DOS, yet.

In VS, VC++ correctly lumps Console and Win32 projects together as they are both Windows Applications. QuickWin's would be similarly grouped if VC++ offered them.

Gerry