topic Re: Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe in Graphics

Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

btcooper — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:08:32 GMT

I cannot use the pen tools from the Draw tab in Microsoft Word or PowerPoint (Office Professional Plus 2019). The ink trail does not appear in real time, but only after the pen is lifted. And if I try to draw a long, continuous line, the display will start flickering on and off sporadically until I close the program. Strangely, the pencil and highlighter tools work fine. The machine is a Dell Latitude 7420 (11th Gen Core i7-1185G7 @ 3.00GHz) with Iris Xe graphics. The pen works fine on my older machines with different graphics hardware.

The displays I've tried this on are nothing special: most are 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz. This problem affects all displays in a multiple-display environment. It also does not matter whether I use a Dell OEM driver or a generic Intel driver, and I've tried several different versions of each.

I've included a screen capture video in the attachments. Strangely, in the video (made with Logitech Capture) the ink trail follows the pen in real time, even though it did not appear that way as I was using it. The display flickering does appear in the video, except that the black-screen durations are longer than shown in the video.

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

JosueO_Intel — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 14:49:36 GMT

Hello btcooper,

Thank you for posting on the Intel®️ communities. We are sorry to hear that you are having issues with your system, we will do our best to help you.

In order to have a better understanding of the issue, please share with us the following information:

Was it working before?
When did it start happening?
Does the issue occur when using only the built-in display or only in multi-monitor environments?
Which driver versions have been tested?

Regards,

Josue O.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re: Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

btcooper — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 23:51:16 GMT

1. It has never worked on my Latitude 7420. It does work on other machines that do not use Iris Xe graphics. Thus...

2. ...it started the first time I tried to use the pen tool.

3. It occurs both on the laptop display alone and on any other connected monitor I have attempted to use, including several different Dell monitors and a Wacom One pen display. BTW, you do not actually have to use a stylus to reproduce the bug. Using the pen tool with the mouse, touchpad, or touchscreen also shows this behavior.

4. I've tried several generic Intel drivers from 27.20.100.8141 up to 27.20.100.9466 (per https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/windows-10-amp-11-intel-iris-xe-and-microsoft-apps-conflicts-and/m-p/3034828) and a few more recent drivers up to 30.0.101.1404 (the latest). I've also tried several Dell OEM drivers from 27.20.100.9415 (A03) up to 30.0.100.9955 (A07, the latest). Every one I've tried exhibits the same behavior.

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

JosueO_Intel — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:29:17 GMT

Hello btcooper,

Thank you for the information provided.

I will proceed to check the issue internally and post back soon with more details.

Regards,

Josue O.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

JosueO_Intel — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:36:06 GMT

Hello btcooper,

Hope you are doing great and staying safe, in this case, please confirm to us the following information:

Is the issue reproducible on Microsoft Word or PowerPoint 2016 or early versions (no enterprise)?
Have you tried using a non-enterprise Windows 10?
Have you tried performing a clean installation of the MS Office packages or OS?

Regards,

Josue O.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re: Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

btcooper — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:18:42 GMT

1. I have no means of testing earlier or non-Professional versions of Office on this machine, sorry.

2. Likewise Windows 10 versions.

3. I might be able to do a clean Office reinstallation, but my local IT support person found the same problem with his Latitude 7420, and I first noticed this problem only a few days after I started using this new, freshly imaged machine. I could ask him if he ever checked a freshly imaged machine.

I also should mention that, unlike that post I linked to in my previous message, reverting to an old-enough version of the driver did not resolve the problem for me. So it could easily be interacting with some other setting or driver or whatever.

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

JosueO_Intel — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:36:28 GMT

Hello btcooper,

Thank you for the information provided, please try to perform the clean installation of Office and let us know the results.

In case you would not be able to do it, let us know so that we can try other options.

Also, remember to check if it is possible to reproduce the issue in Microsoft Word or PowerPoint 2016 or early versions.

Regards,

Josue O.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re: Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

btcooper — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:40:55 GMT

A clean install of Office Professional Plus 2019 makes no difference. We are unable to test earlier or other versions of Office, sorry.

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

JosueO_Intel — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:29:57 GMT

Hello btcooper,

Thank you for the information provided, we will continue investigating the issue and post back soon with more details.

Regards,

Josue O.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

David_G_Intel — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:00:35 GMT

Hello @btcooper

We completed testing on our side and we did not get the same results. We couldn't replicate the issue, here is a video example:

https://youtu.be/bG3knNO1KCI

Since this doesn't seem to be a driver issue please report this to Microsoft for additional support. Let us know if you have any questions or we will close this thread.

Regards,

David G.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

David_G_Intel — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 16:37:31 GMT

We have not heard back from you, so we will close this thread. If you need any additional information, please submit a new question as this thread will no longer be monitored.

Best regards,

David G.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re: Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

btcooper — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 17:05:31 GMT

Two things:

I have a Core i7, not an i5. Not sure if that might affect anything.
The Drawing tab in your video looks different from mine, even though I think you used the same version of Office as me. And the difference is not just because I've added more pens. I don't understand that....

Re: Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

kittykitty — Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:13:44 GMT

Hi Intel

I encountered the same issue and also reported to MSFT.

but still, It isn`t solved.

When I remove the graphic driver or disable it, the problem is removed.

I think some pens have a problem with the graphic card driver.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/office-draw-flickering/c3e3be4b-e6b8-444c-8d6...

Can you take a look?

Thanks.

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Re: Re:Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

Stieglitz — Mon, 04 Sep 2023 08:42:09 GMT

Do you know if there is an solution to this problem?

I am still facing the problems, it is so annoying!

Re: Pen drawing problems in MS Word or PowerPoint with Iris Xe

Niklas_ — Fri, 26 Jul 2024 07:42:58 GMT

After facing this issue for a while we have found a possible solution to this problem. I know it's a little late, but I'll tag you anyways just in case. @btcooper @Stieglitz @kittykitty

In our GPO we have added Administrators, Window Manager / Window Manager Group permissions to the setting "Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\User Rights Assignment => Increase Scheduling Priority", just like our Auditor suggested. However this was wrong, we were able to fix this issue by changing this permission to Administrators & "Window Manager\Window Manager Group". It is important that it is added as 1 group and with a backslash unlike it was suggested to us.

@David_G_Intel maybe you can reproduce the issue by

putting a windows 10 device with an intel graphics chip and drivers into a domain
remove Window Manger\Window Manager Group from "Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\User Rights Assignment => Increase Scheduling Priority"
log into the device with a domain user
use the drawing function in microsoft word (only the black pen) by holding down and moving the pen a while without releasing.

=> The lines should now only appear after releasing and if done in quick succession or with too long lines more black screens will appear, the GPU will go to 100% or the device will bluescreen. Sometimes the GPU just shuts off entirely, which can lead to the issue being kind of resolved as well.

I assume there is no check in the driver, that stops it from continously asking windows to priorise the application, when it doesnt have the permission which leads to an endless loop and in turn into the crashing of the graphics card.

Best Regards,

Niklas