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The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

ДДеми — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:25:12 GMT

The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

idata — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:56:26 GMT

Hello, DenisDA.

Thank you very much for taking the time to reach the Intel® Communities Team.

I understand you would like to know if the Gemini Lake Intel® UHD 605 supports HDR.

Allow me to verify if this information is available. Thank you very much for your time and patience.

Antony S.

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

idata — Wed, 31 Jan 2018 01:31:21 GMT

Hello, DenisDA.

Thank you very much for your patience.

Allow me to share with you that the Gemini Lake does not suppoort HDR.

Antony S.

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:50:13 GMT

High Dynamic Range (HDR) Support

Documentation

Content TypeProduct Information & Documentation

Article ID000025998

Last Reviewed11/20/2019

This document explains High Dynamic Range (HDR) technologies and provides details on HDR support on Intel® Graphics platforms running Windows® 10. The intended audience includes PC users and consumers looking for a full HDR viewing experience on these platforms.

Technical White Paper (PDF)

Supporting 7th Gen Intel® Core™ Processor and Newer Platforms

File name: HDR_Intel_Graphics_TechWhitePaper.pdf
Size: 590 KB
Date: November 2017
Revision: 1.0

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 13:05:34 GMT

So apart from YOU saying it doesn't support it the main bulk of information does not seem to agree.

The UHD 605 can use quicksync to transcode or encode 4k HDR 10bit according to my testing so i see no reason why it can't display HDR.

This seems more like a artificial limitation but since it's one that is poorly documented I'd suggest we have been lied to, false advertising and confusing product names are to blame.

I've build the machine now and it's to late to say something isn't supported when your own product page says it's been supported since 7th gen.

This is a 2019 product.... WTF are you playing at.

I've build a media centre machine that can't display my media but it capable of rendering it in real time using its gpu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 13:22:37 GMT

"Supporting 7th Gen Intel® Core™ Processor and Newer Platforms"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything newer than 2017 should support HDR according to your own product page.

I've been mis-sold to and I've build a system around it that doesn't do what you've claimed it will on your own product page so I've go grounds for legal action.

I have a j5040 and I was under the impression it was a 2019 design, I build it to perform 1 role..... display content with low power consumption.

(this is going to make quite an interesting YouTube video isn't it)

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 13:36:41 GMT

ASRock J5040-ITX motherboard with Passively Cooled Quad Core 64-bit 2GHz (3.2GHz Burst) Pentium Silver J5040 Gemini Lake Refresh 14nm processor with VT-x support and integrated Intel UHD 605 Graphics with 10-bit HEVC Acceleration. Up to 32GB of system memory*; 4x SATA 6Gb/s; PCI-E x1 Slot; Realtek RTL8111H Gigabit Ethernet; Realtek ALC892 High Definition 7.1 Channel Audio with S/PDIF Out. Windows 10 64-bit driver support.

Says there that it supports 10-bit HEVC Acceleration!!!!!!

That's how my HDR is packaged but because of misleading advertising what you are not saying is that i can enable a 10-bit screen mode.

So I have 2 items of clear evidence here and I need a resolution.

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 13:42:22 GMT

Intel UHD 605 Graphics: 18 EUs inside (Up to 800MHz); Supports DirectX 12, OpenGL 4.4, OGL ES 3.1, OpenCL 1.2. Supports HEVC 10-bit Decoding/Encoding to provide substantially improved video quality and higher bit depth video experience.

Hardware accelerated Encode/Decode: HEVC (H.265) 8-bit, HEVC (H.265) 10 bit, H.264 @ Lvl5.2 (AVC), JPEG/MJPEG, VP8, VP9 8-bit. Additionally supports VP9 10-bit Hardware Decode. Triple Monitor Support. HDCP and Full HD 1080p Blu-Ray playback supported on DVI-D and HDMI ports.

"higher bit depth video experience"!!!!

So that's 10-bit display mode isn't it???????????????????????????

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 20:43:12 GMT

Essentials

Export Specifications

Product Collection

Intel® Pentium® Silver Processor Series

Code Name

Products formerly Gemini Lake Refresh

Vertical Segment

Mobile

Processor Number

J5040

Status

Launched

Launch Date

Q4'19

Lithography

14 nm

Use Conditions

PC/Client/Tablet

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# of Cores

# of Threads

Processor Base Frequency

2.00 GHz

Burst Frequency

3.20 GHz

Cache

4 MB

TDP

10 W

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Embedded Options Available

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8 GB

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DDR4/LPDDR4 upto 2400 MT/s

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ECC Memory Supported ^‡

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Processor Graphics ^‡

Intel® UHD Graphics 605

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250 MHz

Graphics Burst Frequency

800 MHz

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8 GB

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eDP/DP/HDMI/MIPI-DSI

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4K Support

Yes, at 60Hz

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4096x2160@30Hz

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4096x2160@60Hz

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4096x2160@60Hz

DirectX* Support

OpenGL* Support

4.4

Intel® Quick Sync Video

Yes

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Device ID

0x3184

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2.0

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1x4 + 1x2 or 4x1 or 2x1+1x2 + 1x2

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2.0/3.0

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Yes

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Yes

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Sockets Supported

FCBGA1090

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T_JUNCTION

105°C

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25mm x 24mm

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Intel® Turbo Boost Technology ^‡

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Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology ^‡

Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ^‡

Yes

Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O (VT-d) ^‡

Yes

Intel® VT-x with Extended Page Tables (EPT) ^‡

Yes

Intel® 64 ^‡

Yes

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64-bit

Instruction Set Extensions

Intel® SSE4.2

Idle States

Yes

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Yes

Thermal Monitoring Technologies

Yes

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Yes

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Intel® AES New Instructions

Yes

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Yes

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Yes with Intel® ME

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Yes

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Yes

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Yes

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Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 20:52:13 GMT

Remember how AMD lost a class action law suit for describing there "8 core" FX cpu's as 8 core........

Deliver an increased bit depth video experience like it says in your marketing or offer replacement product that does that or you to will be liable.

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:30:38 GMT

https://youtu.be/2hg2o8j2Z8s

I said I'd post a Video on YouTube.

1k views and counting (let's hope I can go viral)

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

AlHill — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:32:04 GMT

Not interested.

Doc (not an Intel employee or contractor)

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Bryce_Intel — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:05:16 GMT

Hey @Mdrodge

Bryce here, I’ll preface with you’ve said a LOT and I want to address those concerns but ‘read to the end for the good part’. I reviewed your case and turns out technically our literature is correct. It talks about HDR being supported on ‘Core’ products [Supporting 7th Gen Intel® Core™ Processor and Newer Platforms], because HDR is supported on our Core products. So, 7^th Gen or newer includes 7^th, 8^th, 9^th, 10^th, 11^th or greater, but doesn’t include our non-Core products that don’t have a Gen number, unfortunately for you like Gemini Lake. I will however take this opportunity to improve the document and make it clearer thanks to your feedback. I've submitted a change request to add "Core" to the title as “Newer Core Platforms”, and added further clarification as “non-Core products may not support HDR, for HDR support please use only Core products” [or something to that effect] added to the whitepaper.

Before purchasing any components, please please please, we always strongly recommend users conduct adequate research, including reviewing product specs and capabilities. Further, if you or anyone else have any questions specific to the hardware in consideration, reach out to your fellow peers and our agents in our Intel Graphics Communities.

Regarding 10-bit mode support, we currently do not have a method to allow manual selection between 8-bit and 10-bit modes. The drivers are coded to always use the highest available, so if the requirements stars align with hardware and software, then it is coded to choose the highest capable by default. Last I heard we are working on manual selection capability within the Intel Graphics Command Center.

I also saw you had some confusion on 10bit vs HDR. They are different and one doesn’t mean the other, meaning just because a system supports 10bit, doesn’t mean it automatically supports HDR. I found this forum where it’s explained pretty well. Is HDR and 10 bit same thing? - Displays - Linus Tech Tips <- This is a 3rd party link and I'm only providing it for reference, there's no affiliation.

Buuut, with all that said, let me just say - I’ve been there man; arduously putting together a PC just to realize there’s limitations or that I need yet SOMETHING else to make it work how I want. I remember jumping through hoops getting a shiny new video card (wayyy back in the day), just to find out the game I wanted to play needed a different one, it’s sooo frustrating!! Aaaarg! I don’t want you to be left without a way to watch your HDR content, so, as my heartfelt way of showing some fellow HTPC enthusiast compassion and some Intel love, I’ve scoured Intel to find a TigerLake NUC that will run as an awesome HTPC, if you want it. The model is NUC11TNHi5 if you want to look it up. If that meets your needs, let me know and we can DM and I’ll find a way to get it to you gratis. This is a rare occurrence where things lined up so I can’t always help in this way (you’re actually the only one), but since this worked out, hope it helps get ya up and running watching some epic movies in 4K HDR. At the very least hoping it’ll hold ya over till you can return the Gemini Lake and update to a Core CPU that supports HDR.

Thanks for being an Intel customer and helping improve Intel products!

.:Bryce:.

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Sun, 13 Jun 2021 06:33:54 GMT

Oh wow...........

Sweet. that would be so good (didn't check the spec yet but nuc's are awsome)

There was no way i could afford an upgrade at the moment and a return seems unlikely.

I'm blown away by this.

Let me know what i need to do to take you up on that.

(I'm a long time subscriber of LTT, I've seen the video 🙂 )

I agree that research is important when building systems and since no where could i find the information i needed the only clue i had to go on was the whole "increased bit depth viewing thing"

Updating the White Paper like you mentioned from "newer platforms" to "newer Core platforms" solves this issue for anyone else and well i'm sure you can guess how i'd feel about a Tiger Lake NUC 🙂

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Bryce_Intel — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 00:06:39 GMT

Terrific, sending DM.

Re: The Gemini Lake ( UHD 605) supports HDR?

Mdrodge — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:16:25 GMT

Thanks Bryce.

I'm blown away by your response and very happy with the outcome off all of this.