topic Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK in Intel® oneAPI Math Kernel Library

MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:37:20 GMT

I have been using MKL/ARPACK with MKL versions from 8 to 10.1 to solve real eigenvalue problems with no issues. If I replace the 10.1 MKL libraries with 10.2 Update 1, the eigenvector extraction produces (very) incorrect results in some but not all cases ( the eigenvalues are still correct). If I go back to 10.1, the results are correct - this is just swapping DLLS. Trying to nail down the offending MKL routine is a very complex process by swapping software LAPACK for MKL LAPACK and will take days. Anyone else seen this?

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

VipinKumar_E_Intel — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:19:40 GMT

This looks like a bug in dstevr which was fixed recently and the fix will be available in the next update release.

--Vipin

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

Alemdar__Bulent — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:56:14 GMT

Quoting - Vipin Kumar E K (Intel)

This looks like a bug in dstevr which was fixed recently and the fix will be available in the next update release.

--Vipin

Dear Vasci_Intel

Would you mind provide ussome information regarding how to use MKL and Arpack together? Any referenceis greatly appreciated. I am planning to use INTEL Pardiso Solver with Arpack, but not quite sure where to start.
Regards
Bulent

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:45:05 GMT

Hi Bulent,

Sorry to not reply - did not subscribe to the thread. Do you still need an example of using ARPACK with PARDISO?

Andrew

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

Alemdar__Bulent — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:07:44 GMT

Quoting - vasci_intel

Hi Bulent,

Sorry to not reply - did not subscribe to the thread. Do you still need an example of using ARPACK with PARDISO?

Andrew

Yes, I am still interested :-)
Thx
bulent

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

Alexander_K_Intel3 — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:57:09 GMT

Hello vasci_intel,

Could you please provide a reproducer for the issue, and also describe which platform do you use (win32, win32e, etc.).It would be enought to havea simple programm which calls ARPACK with your input data and prints out incorrect part of eigenvector.

Thanks in advance.
-- Alexander.

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:26:40 GMT

Quoting - Alexander Kobotov (Intel)

Hi Alexander,
It is actually quite a bit of work to create a standalone sample case. Is the potential fix you mentioned in MKL 10.2 Update 1 or a later Update that is still to be released?

PS my platforms are Win32 and Win64

Andrew

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

Alexander_K_Intel3 — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:16:12 GMT

Quoting - vasci_intel

Ok, then probablyyou could provide some additional information, like which particular routine from ARPACK was used, or at least which of eigenproblems is solved, could you? Size of the matrixand other input parameters are also highly appresiated. I'd like to reproduce thefailure to check if it is reallyabout the issuealready fixed in upcoming 10.2 Update 2.

-- Alexander

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:02:58 GMT

Quoting - Alexander Kobotov (Intel)

Hi Alexander,
I am calling the following ARPACK routines
DSAUPD followed by
DSEUPD

As I may have mentioned... the eigenvalues are correct, the eigenvectors extracted by DSEUPD are (sometimes) way out. That would suggest it is a LAPACK routine called by DSEUPD

c routines call by dseupd

c dgeqr2 LAPACK routine that computes the QR factorization of
c a matrix.
c dlacpy LAPACK matrix copy routine.
c dlamch LAPACK routine that determines machine constants.
c dorm2r LAPACK routine that applies an orthogonal matrix in
c factored form.
c dsteqr LAPACK routine that computes eigenvalues and eigenvectors
c of a tridiagonal matrix.
c dger Level 2 BLAS rank one update to a matrix.
c dcopy Level 1 BLAS that copies one vector to another .
c dnrm2 Level 1 BLAS that computes the norm of a vector.
c dscal Level 1 BLAS that scales a vector.
c dswap Level 1 BLAS that swaps the contents of two vectors.

Andrew

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

Sergey_K_Intel1 — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:25:48 GMT

Quoting - vasci_intel

DearAndrew,

If you don't mind, I haveseveral questions to you. Do you solve symmetricor non-symmetric eigenvalue problem?Could you provide the residual norm || A*x - lambda*x || for bad and good cases?

What you described is usually observed in the problem of poorly separated eigenvalues or whenmultiplicy of a eigenvalue is more than 1. Is it possible al least to look at the values of computed eigenvalues in your case?

In some cases, finite arithmetic may cause zero eigenvalues to be computed as very small, possibly negative, numbers even it is known that a matrix is nonnegative. Any change in auxilary routine like dscal might cause changing the sign some of these eigenvalues.

Similar tosystems of linear equations,an eigenvalue and eigenvectors may be well-conditioned or ill-conditioned (there are a plenty of references about conditioning of eingenvalues and eigenvectors, see for example SIAM book "Templates for the solution of algebaric eigenvalue problems"). Deviationineigenvectors or in eigenvaluesmight happendue toill-conditioning of problem. Therealso existsseveral so-calledspectral transformationsthat help to turn poorly separated eigenvalues into well-separated ones.The residual norm and the measure of orthogonality for symmetriceigenvalue problemsare only thecriteria whether eigenvectors and eigenvalues are correctly computed.

All the best
Sergey

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:31:47 GMT

Quoting - Sergey Kuznetsov (Intel)

Hi Sergey,
The bu introduced in MKL 10.2 seems to have been resolved in MKL Update 2.

In response to your questions above.... the problems with errors were well conditioned.

Andrew

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:33:10 GMT

Unfortunately this MKL 10.2 regression problem as not been entirely resolved in MKL 10.2 Update 2. I have tracked the problem down to two LAPACK routines dgeqr2 and dsteqr. When I replace the MKL versions with the reference LAPACK source code versions , the issue disappears.
So given the same input data, the MKL 10.2 versions of these routines give different output data compared to both MKL 10.1 and previous versions and the reference LAPACK FORTRAN source code.

I am going to create test cases, and submit a premier support issue.

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

Gennady_F_Intel — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:13:22 GMT

Quoting - vasci_intel

Andrew,
you don't need to do that - you can use the private tread here and we will check the problem on our side.
--Gennady

Re: MKL 10.2 (Update 1) breaks ARPACK

AndrewC — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:47:56 GMT

Quoting - Gennady Fedorov (Intel)

Andrew,
you don't need to do that - you can use the private tread here and we will check the problem on our side.
--Gennady

HI Gennady,
The issue is not quite as clear-cut as I thought - the differences I was seeing in MKL 10.2 vs using ARPACK's 'old' LAPACK src were in the values of the WORK array ( which is temporary data). Increasing the NCV parameter ( max number of LANCZOS vectors) made the issue go away as well.... excuse me while I bang me head against a wall!!
This may be an issue of numerical sensitivity with ARPACK that MKL exposes...

Andrew