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i7 13700k what temps are normal

evans8773 — Tue, 31 Jan 2023 14:23:23 GMT

Hi all, first post so please be gentle. I am waiting for some memory to be delivered then will be starting my build for the first time and would like to know what temps at idle and gaming must get to be too hot.

The processor will have a Noctua NH D15 on top of it and I have a choice of thermal compounds the Noctua that came with the cooler or nzxt high performance thermal paste which I bought with the rest of the parts. Also a MSI nvidia 3070 will be in play also.

So how hot is too hot

Thoughts appreciated

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

n_scott_pearson — Wed, 01 Feb 2023 00:03:38 GMT

Normal is anywhere from 30-50c when the system is idle. Remember that Windows runs maintenance tasks in the background, so idle can be a relative term. When under significant load, temperatures in the 80s with fairly short duration (~minute) spikes up into the 90s is ok.

Is that what you were asking for?

...S

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

evans8773 — Wed, 01 Feb 2023 01:47:55 GMT

Hi thanks for the response, I was just looking for a bit of reassurance as I have watched lots of YouTube videos about the 13700k with ppl saying it’s hot running.

When idle or when just browsing the web it was between 30-40. I had hwinfo running whilst gaming. Counter strike max was 72c, dayz 79c and red dead redemption 96c.

The case is pretty small a Msi SEKIRA 100p
Not a lot of room with the Noctua NH 15d cooler. I think the case fans are not the best so I am going to get 3 quality noctuA fans for the front and put the Msi fans up top as exhausts. Other than the 96c briefly playing Red Dead no heat issues I don’t think. I am looking at the nzxt h7 flow and my son can have this Msi case. Just need approval from the boss if she is agreeable

Again thanks for responding.

Re:i7 13700k what temps are normal

DeividA_Intel — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 00:32:22 GMT

Hello evans8773,

Thank you for posting on the Intel® communities. I understand that you have some inquiries related to the Intel® Core™ i7-13700K Processor.

I would like to let you know that your Intel® Core™ i7-13700K Processor supports up to 100°C and any temperature below it is normal and expected. Also, the spikes temperatures are normal as long as it occurs for short periods of time.

Please let me know if you are experiencing any crashes or blue screens of death due to the temperatures.

Regards,

Deivid A.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re: Re:i7 13700k what temps are normal

evans8773 — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 01:19:26 GMT

Hi Deivid

Temps under control now, have swapped out case fans for Noctua fans and set the all fans to hit 100% when cpu is at 75c.

Hwinfo however is now telling me when I play battlefield 5 and 2042 plus a few other games that my core power limit has been exceeded.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

KrissyG — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 08:52:26 GMT

i7 13700k with cheap waterblock but double 420's radiators -> easily 100C
with Heatkiller 4 pro and same radiators -> 85~90C , once a while it touches 100C , and that is how it looks like:

To put it in another words, my setup can never continuously work at 100% CPU load, the die of the CPU is too small and can not be cooled efficiently enough. For that reason i use XTU and limit the power to 200W , else i think the CPU will melt one day.

But, 85C is normal for those CPUs it seems.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Fede59 — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 13:57:14 GMT

I had for a few months the i7-13700K with a Noctua NHU-12A Chromax Black and a big case well ventilated (6x14cm fans).

In idle it stayed between 38 and 42°, depending on room temperature.

During playing up to 65°.

Under stress (Cinebench), with basic Intel settings in BIOS, it went up to 85-90C°.

Under stress (Cinebench), without limits in BIOS, it went 100° and more. Definitely too much.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

KrissyG — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 17:00:29 GMT

idle of more than 10*C over the room temperature is not normal, bcoz your CPU should not take more than 6~15Watts in that state and that in high performance profile. Mine stays at 7*C over room temperature.

And yes, as seen on the screen, on full load ot easily did hit 100*C

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

DeividA_Intel — Tue, 14 Feb 2023 17:09:29 GMT

Hello evans8773,

I am glad to know that the temperatures are now under control. As per the notification from Hwinfo, Intel does not comment or have information about 3rd party tools.

I will proceed to close this thread, however, you can open a new one in case you need further support or if you face any issues with our products.

Best regards,

Deivid A.

Intel Customer Support Technician

Re: Re:i7 13700k what temps are normal

ShanLim — Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:31:04 GMT

I had just assembled 2 units of Intel Core i7 13700K
With Gigabyte Motherboard
Cooler Master i50 CPU Fan
When I completed the assembly I let the CPU run awhile for testing
For both units the temperature hit 47 degree celcius
Please be noted that there is no OS running it is just the CPU
Is this normal?

Re: Re:i7 13700k what temps are normal

KrissyG — Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:44:56 GMT

@ShanLim wrote:
I had just assembled 2 units of Intel Core i7 13700K
With Gigabyte Motherboard
Cooler Master i50 CPU Fan
When I completed the assembly I let the CPU run awhile for testing
For both units the temperature hit 47 degree celcius
Please be noted that there is no OS running it is just the CPU
Is this normal?

it will be same when entering the BIOS, the CPU will run for no reason at stock frequency....so it will draw more power than if OS is on and idles.

on a different note, is the Cooler Master i50 supposed to be used with 250Watts CPUs?
The specification says it is not for LGA1700.

Re: Re:i7 13700k what temps are normal

n_scott_pearson — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 16:42:13 GMT

When in BIOS, all power management features of the processor are disabled. In addition, all interrupts are disabled. One core will be running in a tight polling loop checking for changes and input at all times. Temperatures seen in this state will thus be higher than those seen in any runtime (Windows, Linux, etc.) environments, even at idle.

All that said, 47c is perfectly normal - and, in fact, better than many systems that I have seen while in this state.

Just saying,

...S

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Lorand — Sun, 07 May 2023 13:28:03 GMT

Hi i recently bought the i7 13700k , i went for DeepCool LS 720 for the AIO, big wented case, i get in idl/browsing minor load 33-38 C , gaming 45-62 C ,even RDR2 after hours of gamplay max settings wont hit higher than 65 C, But when i do Cinebench R23 temps are 100c, Any aplication that uses load over 75 % on cores i get temps over 90 even up to 100C should i be worryed??? never had a CPU this hot before , i do not overclock it and it is not Undervolted eather, just auto settings in BIOS.

I downloaded Last of US part I and it does a shader build in the begining, well till that is done CPU gets 92-95 C? is this normal? i have to mention that shadaer build takes over 10-20 mins , is it bad for CPU to run that long that hot???????

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

KrissyG — Sun, 07 May 2023 20:29:01 GMT

size of the radiator in this case means nothing, bcoz the die of the CPU is tiny considering it does 250W.
I got here twin EK-CoolStream 420 and even with fans on full power the CPU hits 100*C....that is bcoz the water block on the CPU can not transfer enough heat onto the water.

That being said, i can assure you , that the i7 13700k can run continuously triggering the thermal throttling and stay at 100*C all the time without being damaged....i did that for about 70hrs straight.

The only thing i was not sure about is the motherboard, bcoz the space between the CPU and the top part of VRM was hitting over 90*C....it was the PCB that had such temperature on the Gigabyte B790 Gaming X motherboard, that motherboard is cheap and does not allow overclocking - for obvious reasons.

As can be seen on the thermal image, the 30*C is the water coming back from the radiators, yes it's just 30*C, but the CPU is at ~100*C
and the 94*C above the CPU is the PCB, it has same temperature on both sides....the darker round spots are the capacitors and teh closer the PCB is to the VRM heatsink, the lower teh temperature.

I hope your motherboard is better than mine lol

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Lorand — Mon, 08 May 2023 04:57:50 GMT

First of all thx for ur answer,and unfortunatly, i have an even cheaper motherboard, gigabyte 760, so im not even considering overclocking, and i have to say that this is my first Water cooler, and at first i thought that it is broken cause when i saw cpu temps at 100C and i touched the radiator ... that was cold... not even a bit warm... i expected that at these heat levels, at least the radiator will get a bit warm but no mine is cold. is this normal? (only by touching it never used mesuring equipement ), or it is explained by the fact that the die size is to small and block cant transfer enough heat? or i did somthing wronG?

is there any way to cool this beast under 100 c whithout unvervolting or limiting power ??

i mostly game on it, and sometiems some video editing, so temps there where ok. but im realy curious how do ppl cool this thing, i saw posts on forums that whit cinebench r23 and no undervolt they never passed 93 c mark... how is that possible?

one more thing whit no settings in bios everithing auto, and cpu hitting this 100c mark i got a cinebench score around 29700.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Fede59 — Mon, 08 May 2023 05:48:33 GMT

Hello,

be sure to set "use Intel settngs" ON in your bios. Otherwise the CPU will run with no limits and reach +100° C easily under stress.

I used the i7-13700K with air cooling (NH-U12A) with Intel settings ON in BIOS and under Cinebench R23 it didnt exceed 85-90°C.

Your score in Cinebench makes me think that you have not enabled Intel parameters in the bios, hence the high temp.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Lorand — Mon, 08 May 2023 06:05:13 GMT

thx for tip , but one question every motherboard has that bios setting?? when i was in bios i did not see such thing.. but maybe i was not searching in the right place. i will try to find it today when i get home .

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Fede59 — Mon, 08 May 2023 06:29:49 GMT

Well, first thing be sure to have the last bios installed. That setting should be in the OC/CPU section in your BIOS.

I actually use the ASRock 690 Taichi motherboard and the setting is very easy to find and modify in the bios.

Obviously you won't reach high scores in Cinebench but in real life (gaming and video editing, same things I do) you don't need it, IMHO.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

KrissyG — Mon, 08 May 2023 10:09:34 GMT

lol that was a mitake on my side, i got the B760 as well i don't even know if something like 790 exists....

anyway, your hands may be warmer than the radiator, as are mine (the camera can't be in focus on two different objects - it's a cheap thermal camera, therefore the temperature reading is slightly off, but it still shows the difference)

if you guessed that the radiators are behind my hand, you guessed right, the CPU had some 150W of usage at the time i took the picture, room temp @ 21*C, so the radiators would not feel warm....but stone cold neither.

the ppl who post their benchmarks, sometimes use those fancy below-zero cooling stuff, not sure how it's called but it indeed can even freeze on one side making it a hazard for the PC. So that is how they overclock it to 500W power.....pointless.

Now, at least my Gigabyte B760 Gaming X does not support overclocking , i assume so does yours, therefore some settings in BIOS will not exist or you won't be able to change them.

And, just to make it clear, overclocking from 5GHz to 5,4GHz gives you a gain of 8% while the power usage will be much higher, maybe as much as 60% more - in other words, overclocking is useless but don't tell overclocking community, they don't know it is placebo LOL

However, i need to ask, how sure are you that you put the CPU water block on the CPU and that it actually is kinda parallel to it, like i mean if it is not crooked and the surface of the die is parallel to the surface of the cooling part of the water block?

....and there are those videos about 12 and 13generation CPU series, where they proved the die to not be flat....
you can watch this video on YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYU1OskbY-Q

and the interesting part starts at 9:30

they compare the stock CPU holder-thingy to some custom made frames - which apparently does not deform CPU or makes it more flat....well, they explain in the video.
They also got similar temperatures even with very expensive setup.

But if you want to test it yourself...and compare to what conditions i have with same motherboard? idk what exact motherboard you have, but same CPU and about as much cooling power (i have two radiators, but the fans spin always at teh lowest rpm so that the PC is silent, so your setup may have similar cooling power)

So, here is what i did, i changed the power limit to various values.
At 200W it only hits thermal throttling, when i run some tests (on the left in the XTU window you can see "Stress tests" if i run the memory test for like one hour, the thermal throttling will occur once a while, bcoz teh CPU will use 200W all the time, and on no power limit it will hit the thermal throttling continously)

here an example, limit at 200W no thermal throttling but continuos power limit throttling:
maybe i should change colours lol bcoz red is for temperature and orange for thermal throttling....looks very similar

...and without power limit, at the beginning it hit almost 270W since i let it sit in idle for few minutes and everything was cold...
you can see as the CPU got warmer on average and kept close to 100*C, the power was automatically decreased with time, started at almost 270W and then dropped to some 230W average.....not cold enough for the CPU to use full power all the time.

and when i stop the test, the temperature spikes down right away, if that does not happen on your side, and temperature seems to decrease slower, then i would say that you have a problem:

In other words, that is how i concluded that despite good cooling power, the cooling power does not reach the CPU bcoz of teh water block or bcoz of the tiny CPU die.....could be both.

I wish someone would post all that and i wouldn't have to test it myself, but no one did, they just said the CPU will hit 100*C very often.

Summary, if your setup behaves similar to mine, then the CPU and water block are stuck together quite well.
Of course, at 230W my double radiators do contribute to slightly better cooling....so you may end up with a slightly lower power if you run the test longer OR if your room temperature is way higher than 21*C.

Hope that helps you answer all your questions.

Re: i7 13700k what temps are normal

Lorand — Mon, 08 May 2023 15:14:13 GMT

wow, so thx again for the effort to make all those tests, i'm very greatfull and it was realy realy helpfull.

So yea the b790 exists and it is the big brother of the b760 and its twice the price. dont know if it is or not 2x as good but whit that u can overclock for sure ...

Mine is the B760 Gaming XAX rev 1.0 wich means that is whit ddr5. so i think we have the same board, and same cpu, and i have ddr5 whit 5600mhz. but that does not matter.

I reproduced all the test u made and i got almoast the same result at 200W my temps where 76-85 sometimes hitting 92,after that i did a cinebench too score 28000 (200W), then i went to 220 W temps went up to 96 (cinebench) still no thermal throttel and never hit 100. cinebench score went up to 29055...but i dont realy care about cine score.. i mostly game and edit...but this was the only way to test the cooling cause no game hit higher then 60....and i never had a cpu this hot before and i was worried, at least under load...

i think i stick whit 200-220 w and that is it..unlimited is bad...:).mainly now i know that this cpu it is hot as hell and my aio works just fine... that was my main concern whit the aio because i did not feel the warm on my radiator... but u answered to that question too so thx again..it is my first aio so...i had questions

and to answer this question

""However, i need to ask, how sure are you that you put the CPU water block on the CPU and that it actually is kinda parallel to it, like i mean if it is not crooked and the surface of the die is parallel to the surface of the cooling part of the water block?""

i dont know , but i have the same results as u do maybe beginners luck

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