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TCurt
Beginner
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No CPU fan speed availble with dh87rL

Hi,

how can i see the cpu fan speed without going into the bios?

I tried several proigramms, but even the https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=20488&lang=deu Intel® Desktop Utilities can't show the CPU fan speed.

I use Win7 x64.

Best regards

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Kevin_M_Intel
Employee
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Hi TCurts,

From our side the only application that we have available to monitor the fan rpms from windows is the Intel® Desktop Utilities but I am afraid that it is not possible to manipulate the settings of this fans from there.

I recommend you checking on the web for any third party software with this capability.

NSCOTT_P_Intel
Employee
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TCurts,

Intel(R) Desktop Utilities most definitely displays the CPU fan speed. Are you having a problem finding the display? Invoke the GUI (using the shortcut supplied or by double-clicking on the sensor gauge icon in the system tray), and then click on the "Hardware Monitor" tab. The summary display includes the CPU fan speed. You can also click on the "Processor" tab if you would like to see this presented in gauge form...

...Scott

TCurt
Beginner
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Hello I tried several programms. None of them seems to be able to monitor the CPU fan speed.

Below you can see in the screenshots that even the "Intel Desktop Utillities" can't show me the fan speed.

Best Regards

NSCOTT_P_Intel
Employee
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Do fan speeds show up when you are in Visual BIOS?

If they do, then, within Intel(R) Desktop Utilities, click on "Options" then "Set Sensor Thresholds" and then on "Fans Redetect". Reboot your system and check the Intel(R) Desktop Utilities display again. This should restore the display of the fan speed(s)...

TCurt
Beginner
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Unfortunately neither the speed is shown in the visual bios nor your tip worked. I don't think that it is a problem of the fan itself because it already was attached to a Asus Board and there everything worked well.

NSCOTT_P_Intel
Employee
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Yea, if they aren't working in the BIOS, resampling them at runtime isn't going to make any difference.

I need more information to diagnose further. What fans do you have plugged into the board? Have you tried plugging them into different headers on the board (even temporarily) and checking in BIOS? Have you tried plugging other fans into the board? Is the CPU fan a stock heatsink-fan unit from Intel? If not, (a) what brand is it and (b) does it have a 4-pin connector or a 3-pin connector (and, if it's a 3-pin connector, does it have wires going back to the fan for all three pins)?

Are the fans that are plugged into the board changing speed? Unplug the system (or turn off power using switch on back of power supply if there is one) for ~15 seconds (at least until power LED on board goes out) and then plug it back in (or turn on power) and press the power button to start it up. The fans should start at a higher (louder) speed and then slow down (get quieter) as the BIOS initializes the eSIO. Do you hear this change?

...Scott

TCurt
Beginner
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Hello,

I have only a Scythe Kubuto plugged into the Board. So it is not the one from Intel. The Board and the fan have a 4-Pin connector.

The CPU fan changes the speed if I change the minimal speed in the BIOS to 100% or if I plug it of and on again.

I'll try other fans and connector soon.

Best Regards

TCurt
Beginner
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Hello,

so pluging the 4-pin CPU fan tu the front fan input works, and pluging a 3-pin fan to the CPU input and the rear fan input works to.

After changing the CPU fan back to the CPU input and the 3 pin fan to the front input the RPM of the front fan is submitted, but not the RPM of the CPU fan.

Seems like if the fan and the input don't like each other.

Best Regards

TCurt
Beginner
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Does anyone has a clue, why I am encountering these problems?

DGree10
Beginner
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I have an older Intel Z77 board and had issues with Corsair AF140s not showing their RPM, but both the Visual BIOS and the Intel Utilities Tools showed the headers and reported 0 RPM. It seems strange that you have no readout, I would expect it too at least show 0 RPM. If that was the case I would diagnose an incompatibility between fan and motherboard header, like my Corsairs.

The fact you have not fans showing in the utilities is very strange.

Explain again what you see in BIOS?

NSCOTT_P_Intel
Employee
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First of all, some background comments...

1. The return signal from all fans (3- and 4-wire) is a tachometer signal. Typically (there area few exceptions), two tachometer pulses are sent per revolution. The monitoring device may work in a number of ways, but the net result is that it determines the number of revolutions per minute for the fan.

2. A monitoring device cannot detect the difference between a fan that is not spinning, a fan that is broken and a fan that is not present. In all cases, all the monitoring device sees is no tachometer pulses being returned.

Now, to address daveyg's comment, there is nothing strange going on with Intel(R) Desktop Utilities (IDU)...

IDU was designed to that it will not report that a fan is failing unless that fan has been seen to have worked properly previously. At the point where IDU is installed (or when a Redetect Fans operation is initiated by the user), it must presume that all fans connected to the motherboard are working properly. It (then) determines which fan headers have (working) fans connected to them by sampling to see which headers are currently receiving tachometer pulses from the attached fans. Support for monitoring the fan headers that do not have fans connected to them is disabled. If it is determined that no fans are present, the entire section of the summary display for fan speeds will not be included in the IDU display.

When attempting to determine what is going on in a case like this, the best bet is to use the scene in BIOS Setup (Visual BIOS) that displays fan speeds. It will display 0 RPMs if no fan is connected to a header (or is stopped or is broken).

Ok, to TCurts issue. For some reason, the board's monitoring device is not receiving any detectable tachometer pulses from this fan. There are many, many possible reasons for this, but they all fall into only a few categories, (1) incompatibilities between the fan and the board's monitoring device (very doubtful), (2) failures in the fan or (3) failures in the monitoring device. The easiest way to detect which category the issue falls into is to do the following:

1. Plug a different fan into the CPU header (this can be any 3- or 4-wire fan that you have; it doesn't matter for this experiment). Turn on the system and boot into BIOS Setup (Visual BIOS). If a non-zero fan speed is seen in the display, then a hairy finger is pointing at the Scythe unit. If the fan speed is zero, on the other hand, then a hairy finger is pointing at the CPU Fan Header.

2. Plug the Scythe unit into a different fan header on the board. If a non-zero fan speed is seen, then a hairy finger is pointing at the CPU fan header. If the fan speed is zero, on the other hand, then a hairy finger is pointing at the Scythe unit.

If only one has hairy finger(s) pointing at it, we will know that this is the unit responsible for the issue. If both have a hairy finger pointing at them, then we know that there is an incompatibility between the two.

If the culprit is the CPU Fan header, then contact Intel customer support by chat or by phone to arrange for the motherboard to be replaced...

...Scott

TCurt
Beginner
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Hello, thank you for information.

As I said above (perhaps a bit crypted):

-CPU fan works on front pin properly

-3 pin fan works properly on the CPU input

So we have two hairy fingers...

NSCOTT_P_Intel
Employee
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Yes. Hairy fingers pointing in both directions mean an incompatibility issue. Your choices are to replace the board or replace the cooling solution. If you have (or can borrow) another 4-wire fan - and this fan works in the CPU Fan Header - I would say replace the cooling solution. If this 4-wire fan also fails, then get the board replaced. Easiest thing to check is one of the heatsink-fan units that we ship with our boxed processors. Did you receive one originally?

...S

TCurt
Beginner
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Hi,

I tested it with a old 4-pin fan. The scythe seems to be the problem.

As I don't want to buy a new fan I have the following question. Should there be any problems connecting the CPU fan to the front input and vice versa?

Best regards

NSCOTT_P_Intel
Employee
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There should be no problems using one of the other headers for the Scythe fan, but there is a caveat -- As I mentioned earlier, while the Front and Rear Fan Headers support both 3-wire and 4-wire fans, the CPU Fan Header only supports 4-wire fans. Consequently, if you move the Scythe to the Front or Rear Fan Header, the fan that you then move to the CPU Fan Header must be a 4-wire fan. If you plug a 3-wire fan into the CPU Fan Header, it is always going to run at full speed...

Since you had no chassis fans in your system originally, this shouldn't be an issue for you. I mention it to help any other folks who are considering doing the same thing. There are 3rd-party cooling solutions - especially liquid cooling units - that, because of their design/requirements, have a cable that either cannot reach the CPU Fan Header or require the use of TWO fan headers to operate.

Ok, here are the steps that you are going to want to perform to make this change:

  1. Configure the Front (or Rear, if you choose) Fan Header to be used for a CPU cooling solution.
  2. (Optional) Configure the CPU Fan Header to be used for a chassis fan.
  3. Uninstall and reinstall Intel(R) Desktop Utilities so that it is set up for the new configuration.

In order to configure the Fan Headers, go into Visual BIOS (BIOS Setup), select the Advanced configuration scenes and then select the Cooling scene. In the left pane (the one containing the temperature, voltage and fan speed graphs), click on the entry for the fan header that you wish to configure. When you do, you will see the parameters for this fan header show up in the right pane. If, for example, you click on the Front Fan entry in the left pane, you should see the Front Fan Header parameters show up in the right pane.

To configure a particular fan header, do the following:

  1. Use the Fan Usage parameter to indicate what the fan is being used for. Typically, this is set to "Processor" for the processor cooling fan, "Inlet" for a chassis inlet (intake) fan or "Outlet" for a chassis outlet (exhaust) fan, but you can select one of the other usages if that is what the fan is truly for. Note: this parameter is only for documenting the usage of the fan; it does not have any bearing on the fan speed control solution!
  2. Use the Minimum Duty Cycle parameter to set the minimum that is required for the particular fan being plugged in. This is typically 20% for processor 4-wire fans and 30% for chassis 3-wire and 4-wire fans. Some fans require a higher setting in order to spin properly and to provide the appropriate amount of airflow at their lowest speed; it's up to you to determine what is necessary.
  3. Use the Temperature Input parameters to specify the weightings that each of the temperature inputs is to have on the fan output. The setting of each parameter is dependent upon two factors, (1) the contribution that this fan has to the cooling of the zone around the temperature input and (2) the acoustic cost of using this particular fan. If you are unsure how a set these parameters, a good default is to set all but the processor temperature input to 100% weighting. For non-processor fans, set the weighting for the processor temperature input to 50%. For the processor fan, however, set this weighting to 100%.
  4. The remaining parameters should typically be left at their default settings.

Take a stab at going this and let me know if you have any additional questions...

...Scott

TCurt
Beginner
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Thank you for your detailed reply.

I tried as you have write above, but after a reboot the CPU fan shows 0 RPM again under the visual BIOS.

So it definitively is a problem of the fan with all inputs. Perhaps I'll buy a new one.

Thanks allot for all your help.

Best regards

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