I would love to see in a Windows Update the Intel Thread Director be modified to work in Windows 11

[greenslayy]

 For enthusiasts out there, Windows 11 has a lot of benefits. Things that stand out for gamers are a higher polling rate, mouse support, and a much better implementation of HAGS than Windows 10. However, ever since the move from Windows 10 to 11, we got the new Intel Thread Director. While it works alright for some things, for gamers and pc enthusiasts who want the max performance, it can cause some great problems. The solution for this on Windows 10 is simple: disable the efficiency cores on your CPU, install Windows, and then all of the problems with thread scheduling are solved since there is no thread director, and you can gain performance in a lot of titles. With the Windows 11 thread director, this option no longer works, and the Intel Thread Director doesn't know how to properly utilize a Performance Core-only configuration with HyperThreading enabled, causing terrible hitching in some titles and a loss of overall performance. An easy way to test this is using the CPU-Z benchmark, where if e cores and hyperthreading are enabled, you have consistent single-threaded performance scores. If you then disable E cores and leave hyperthreading on, your score in single-threaded performance becomes extremely jumpy, sometimes being normal and other times losing an insane 10-20% performance. This is because the scheduler is looking for E cores when there aren't any, which adds a jitter since Windows doesn't know what thread to put the benchmark on, losing you performance, which especially comes up in games that then have extremely choppy frametimes. An update to this thread director would give gamers and enthusiasts the best of both worlds, since you can be on the latest Windows version with all of the new updates that give better game performance without having any potential stutters from putting game threads on efficiency cores. With how this ThreadDirector works, I can't use the CPU in a configuration that I want to, which takes away half of the reason to buy an enthusiast-oriented chip. I'm hoping that you guys consider my suggestion. Thanks!

[JeanetteC_Intel]

Hello greenslayy,

Thank you for providing your detailed feedback and suggestions about Intel Thread Director in our Community. To address this more effectively, could you specify the processor model or generation where you are experiencing performance issues related to Intel Thread Director Technology?

I look forward to your response so I can investigate further.

Best regards,

JeanetteC.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[greenslayy]

I am personally using a 14900k, but it's a problem with every processor with e cores on Windows 11 where once you disable them, the scheduler is still looking for e cores and doesn't know how to schedule only p cores with hyperthreading enabled.

[JeanetteC_Intel]

Hello greenslayy,

I will investigate this internally and contact you if I require additional information or have any updates to provide.

Best regards,

JeanetteC.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[greenslayy]

Thank you! A big tech YouTuber actually talks about this in one of his videos, this is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gt__b1_SIg at about the 1:20 minute mark.

[greenslayy]

He talks about how it specifically affects performance in Spider-Man, but this is a Windows thread scheduler issue, not just in one game.

[JeanetteC_Intel]

Hello greenslayy,

Thanks for sharing the video link. I'll definitely check out the segment around the 1:20 minute mark. It's interesting to hear that the issue affects performance in Spider-Man, but as you mentioned, it seems to be related to the Windows thread scheduler and not limited to just one game. I value your input and will explore this further.

I'll post an update once available.

Best regards,

JeanetteC.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[JeanetteC_Intel]

Hello greenslayy,

Please be advised that Intel supplies the hardware, including CPUs with this feature, and the Intel Thread Director depends on operating system support, such as Windows 11, to operate effectively. Essentially, Intel's hardware is crafted to collaborate with the OS's scheduler to allocate tasks to the appropriate cores.

While both Intel and Microsoft play roles in this process, the issue seems to arise from the interaction between the Windows 11 scheduler and Intel's Thread Director, particularly in how gaming workloads are prioritized.

We will evaluate your request, but we also recommend reaching out to Microsoft for assistance if needed.

Sincerely,

JeanetteC.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[greenslayy]

Thanks for responding, and yes, I do think this issue does arise in some gaming workloads on Windows 11, but it is also something that happens at the OS level. So, even doing non-gaming-related tasks with the efficiency cores disabled on Windows 11 still causes some problems. I'll definitely make sure to reach out to Microsoft to see if it is something that they can fix in an update or something like that. Thanks for the help!

[JeanetteC_Intel]

Hello greenslayy,

You're welcome! It seems like this issue affects more than just gaming on Windows 11. Reaching out to Microsoft is a great step, as they might be able to address this in a future update.

I will now proceed in closing this thread. Should you need assistance in the future, please submit a new question as this thread will no longer be monitored.

Sincerely,

JeanetteC.

Intel Customer Support Technician