Max V 5M80ZE64C5N examine / Verify Failure

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Hardware 

Synology Board with 5M80ZE64C5N 

PL-USB Blaster RCN  Rev C

Software 

Win 10 

Programmer Standalone Quartus Prime  17.1.1-593 

( all Versions above have a Bug with File save after eamine )

Device selected 5M80ZE64

selectable  Boxes ( dark grey ) : Blank check - examine - erase

not selectable  Boxes ( light grey ) : Programm - verify - security Bit - ISP Clamp

( exactly same on Brand new chip  )

Examine successful 100%

File saved 

USM and CFM appear

Verify USM pass

Verify  CFM Fail

Message  : 

209048 verfy failure on devive number 1

209012 Operation failed

what am i doing wrong ?

[WZ2]

Just as I said before, after setting this,  POF files examined out to be all 00.

[TN-Notebooks]

in your sample Picture the Examine and Security Bit is Gray out
But in my Pictures / and if i connect to the Chip not gray out .....

thats what i do not understand
if on my Chips the Security was set -> why it isn't grayed out like in your Pictures ?

The check boxes of the programmed chip are displayed exactly the same as an empty new chip.

[WZ2]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, because I didn't select any device or file, I just showed where the security bit is set.

[TN-Notebooks]

I assumed that if the security bit is set, the check box should be grayed out, which it is neither with the programmed nor with a new chip.
This makes me think - something is wrong here.

with this board everything is unusual.

I have to try this again, but I need some file that I can load to test how it looks with and without security bit.
I have no idea of the programming or creation of a simple file.
I just wanted to clone a chip and have only read and learned so far.
Can you help me with a very simple test file in which maybe just something is in it without switching an output - the board can die - my risk -
it's only about testing the basic function
1 Write a file
2 File Examine
3 File verification
and repeat everything again under security bit set.

I would like to test so whether this works on this board with a clean file

[WZ2]

Hi there,

Sorry for the late reply, last days are public holidays.

Here is the file, you can try:

[TN-Notebooks]

Sorry for Late Reply ... had a high work load.

I searched for your Information regarding the nconfig Pin

For  me it seem that the Altera MAX V  5M80ZE64 have no "nconfig Pin" 

Its not listed in the Pinout Table of the 5M80ZE64 like at other Altheras.

Your Empty File i will try near by Time now.

Thomas

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Hallo 

some interesting news

to check the behavior i bought a brand new DK-DEV-5M570ZN Development Kit

connection all fine.

Erase performed success

Blank Check  success

now examine the erased blank Chip  - save the File and now verify  of the examined erased/blank chip

........ Failed 

So this is not a Hardware or Security Bit Problem  -- a Bug in Quartus ?

Info(292034): Thank you for installing the Quartus Prime software - the #1 in performance and productivity. To upgrade to a full featured edition, please https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/programmable.html.
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:37 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209044): Erasing MAXII/MAXV configuration device(s)
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:40 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:53 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209019): Blank-checking device(s)
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:03:55 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:11 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209038): Examining devices
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:13 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:50 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209021): Performing verification on device(s)
Info(209011): Successfully performed operation(s)
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:04:51 2023
Info(209060): Started Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:05:00 2023
Info(209017): Device 1 contains JTAG ID code 0x020A60DD
Info(209018): Device 1 silicon ID is ALTERA10-4
Info(209021): Performing verification on device(s)
Error(209048): Verify failure on device number 1
Error(209012): Operation failed
Info(209061): Ended Programmer operation at Thu Nov 2 16:05:01 2023

[TN-Notebooks]

Hallo WZ2,

already any Ideas ?

Did you see my last Post dated ‎11-02-2023 04:06 PM ?

Thomas

[WZ2]

Hi Thomas,

Long time no see. I was also buried under the heavy workload. 

If you recall our initial conversation back in August, my initial suspicion was towards a bug in Quartus. However, it wasn't until you give me the read-back flash file for me, and the content turned out to be all zeros (00). This is uncommon, leading me to believe that the manufacturer has implemented encryption.

The current situation you're facing is highly likely to be coupled with the initially suspected Quartus bug. You may consider upgrading Quartus and performing encryption settings to check if the situation aligns with our expectations.

Best regards,

WZ

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Hello WZ

reading out my boards makes no sense as long as Quartus has a bug.

Let's stick to the development board first. 

DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit.

With this board it must work first (and here it is certain that there are no hardware influences)
The last thing I posted is from the dev board which is deleted and the empty board was read out and compared.
At least here Quartus should not show any errors.
UFM worked again but CFM is fail ... with an empty CFM . Something is wrong with Quartus here
It would be easiest if you also had a DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit.

I use the stand-alone software Intel® Quartus® Prime Pro Edition Programmer and Tools Version 23.2.0 which apparently does not need a license

of the Quartus® Prime Lite Edition is still version 22.1.2 here there is still no update.

I just found that Intel® Quartus® Prime Pro Edition Programmer and Tools version 23.3.0 is available and installed it.

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I have now repeated the test on the DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit with the versions :

Quartus® Prime Standard Edition Programmer and Tools 22.1std.2.922 ( same in Lite Version )
Still not usable because of save file bug ( not possible to save examine files )

Quartus® Prime Pro Edition Programmer and Tools Version 23.3.0.104
same behavior as version 23.2.0

Verify of CFM failed as all the Time

So for me it seems to be a BUG in Quartus

an update to a STD version is not worthwhile for my applications because the LITE version would be sufficient if it were error-free, but Intel would be happy to provide me with a license free of charge for further testing due to all these errors.

[WZ2]

Hi Thomas,

Based on your readings from the flash, it appears that verification may not be necessary, as the content has been encrypted. I'm curious, were you able to successfully access the contents of the flash from the development board kit? I recall that your initial goal involved reading the content in the flash. Has your objective shifted now?

Best regards,

WZ

[TN-Notebooks]

Hello WZ

the development board has confirmed the errors in the Quartus software.
Please read my last post again carefully.

I suspect that the readout is faulty. And the comparison then correctly recognizes that the read file is incorrect.
At the very beginning I had played such a read file on a new chip and it did not work.

As I said, the development board has confirmed the errors in the Quartus software. Here too, a readout and comparison results in the same error message.

Please read my last post again carefully.

[WZ2]

Sorry for the late replay due to the bad cold.

Never mind, could u upload the  file your examined and let's compare the difference.

[TN-Notebooks]

Please read my messages from ‎11-02-2023 04:06 PM and later

there is no file to send.   examine / verify Fault  of Quartus software with empty Chip 

i used a DK-DEV-5M570ZN development kit

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‎11-02-2023 04:06 PM

to check the behavior i bought a brand new DK-DEV-5M570ZN Development Kit

connection all fine.

Erase performed success

Blank Check  success

now examine the erased blank Chip  - save the File and now verify  of the examined erased/blank chip

........ Failed 

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please read the full description of   11-02-2023 04:06 PM

[TN-Notebooks]

Hallo WZ2 

any news on the case ?

Thomas

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Hallo WZ2 

any news on the case ?

additional a Idea :

Does somewhere a Software archive exist with very old Versions of the Quartus Stand alone Programmer  ( Versions between 8 and 16 ? )

May one of the older Version dont have the Bug and works.

Thomas

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Hallo WZ2 

waiting since 11-19-2023 for an Answer.

any news on the case ?

Info again :

the development board has confirmed the errors / Software Bug in the Quartus software.
Please read my previous Posts 

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Still waiting since 11-19-2023 for an Answer.

any news on the case ?