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idata
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Any experience with boot times Windows 7 x64 with Intel SSD X25-M G2?

Hello,

I would like to have some insight about the boot times from windows 7 when Postville 80Gb SSD is used.

I have installed Win 7 x64 on the postville G2 and I am a bit surprised with the boot times I get. From Forums and reviews about Postville SSD, I have read that the boot time would be around 20 sec. I get 50-60 sec from the time I push the on button and the time I get an 'up and running cursor'. Is this normal. Below you will find my crystal disk mark data, which I think are in line with I have read from this community.

I run it in IDE mode and there are very few software installed. I have deactivated auto defrag and indexing, windows search service and swap file. I have successfully installed the 02HD firmware version.

Could you please help me on this,

Thanks a lot

Hypra

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idata
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I boot my system on about 25 seconds. And you have better crystal mark results than me.

Try switching to AHCI mode instead of IDE in BIOS. Although I think u need to reinstall win7 then to make it work properly.

idata
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I'm not the best qualified one to respond to Kaleido's "Although I think u need to reinstall win7 then to make it work properly" but wanted to try to nip this one in the bud.

You don't have to reinstall Win7 when you flip to AHCI.

I just did it here on a i750 on an Asus P7P55D. First, be sure to change the registry entry Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\msahci to start = 0. Then reboot and in your BIOS change from IDE to AHCI. When you reboot Win7, you'll see it installing the proper drivers and you're good to go...

As I said, I'm no expert, but reading the forum, the above steps are those that are suggested. And they worked for me on in Win7 (x64).

Note, though, that my boot times didn't change significantly when I made this change. I think you've got something else going on that's slowing down your boot. For example, my boot times were slower until I disabled a few boot time functions (eSATA and ExpressGate...)

Message was edited by: tfield98

idata
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The original question was proposed as counting from pushing the power button on your computer. There are many factors that would make times variable, such as entering a password, anti-virus software, AHCI, and all the stuff Windows has to load for you.

I think his 50-60 second time could very well be normal--from pushing power button...

idata
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Boot times vary depending on where you're measuring it from, what things have to load in BIOS, cards installed, etc... Best is to measure it from the point after the BIOS load - It's the screen that pops up with all the IRQ assignments. Your scores seem very in-line with most scores I've seen for the drive.

As for IDE vs. AHCI - I'd switch to AHCI mode. If you google around you'll find a microsoft tech note on how to enable the AHCI driver from within the OS (msahci.sys) using the registry. If you installed IDE then the AHCI driver is automatically disabled in the OS, the only caveat here is if you're using Intel chipset drivers you might need to enable the iaStor.sys and iaStorV.sys drivers instead. You would do it the same way as you would the msahci driver by changing the same registry flag, but for those two.

idata
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Thanks a lot for all your input. As I understand all of you, I will try the following:

1. Go to AHCI mode

2. Get Crystalmark 3.0B to get more insight

3. Get more insight about boot times after MB startup

However, I still have 2 questions.

1. Go to AHCI mode with Intel Chipset Drivers. Could you please give me some info on how to enable iaStor.sys and iaStorV.sys drivers. Does someone have some link to share to help me on this?

2. Some of you think I have other problems. Do you have any idea or in which direction I could search on?

Anyway, thanks a lot for this already very helpful ideas.

idata
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If you already installed W7 then you have to use the registry tweak that tfield98 mentioned above to switch to AHCI. After the registry change you can change the SATA setting in your BIOS to AHCI. Out of personal experience I can tell you that W7 will crash after startup if you forget the registry tweak. Here's the Microsoft link:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976

Also you don't need the Intel drivers. I never touched the standard windows 7 drivers and am happily running in AHCI mode. Just search the forum there are a few guides on how to switch to AHCI. But doing the registry change and then switching to AHCI in BIOS is basicly it.

Last but not least:power-on time consists of BIOS loading and Windows loading. If your BIOS takes 30 seconds until it begins loading Windows the fastest drive will not help you a lot. Often the BIOS has options to make BIOS loading faster. For me it helped to disable onboard IDE (which was run by an additional Marvel? chip) and other stuff I did not use, it all shaves a few seconds of the power-on time.

idata
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I have now switched to AHCI mode. I have done the regedit twxeaks on mhaci.sys but also on IastorV.sys entries.

Below my benchmark results:

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0 x64 Beta2 (C) 2007-2009 hiyohiyo

 

Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/

 

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Sequential Read : 261.002 MB/s

 

Sequential Write : 84.352 MB/s

 

Random Read 512KB : 198.799 MB/s

 

Random Write 512KB : 86.875 MB/s

 

Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 21.577 MB/s [ 5267.7 IOPS]

 

Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 47.490 MB/s [ 11594.2 IOPS]

 

Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 159.010 MB/s [ 38820.8 IOPS]

 

Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 83.663 MB/s [ 20425.6 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [C: Used 25.5% (18.9/74.4 GB)]

 

Date : 2009/12/11 20:01:46

 

OS : Windows 7 Home Premium Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

I have also fine-tuned my Bios to help him start faster. Now I get 35 seconds from on-button to win7 up and running.

Two comments though:

1. I have write speeds which I think are a bit on the low side compared to results published in this discussion

2. While starting up Win7, I get a black screen (not BSOD) for about 5-10 seconds after the Microsoft 'progress bar' just before the logon/welcome screen. Did you also observe such a behaviour and if yes, do you know why?

Thanks a lot again for your contributions

idata
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35 second including the bios is pretty good... usually people count the time from the end of the bios... (and most stop the time as soon as the background pop even if the cpu is actually still thinking and they wouldn't have control on the pc yet).

if i include my bios i probably more around the 40 sec since even if i set up the fastest bios i can (fast bios in bios setup) it still take time i would say between 15-20 sec and the windows 20-25 so more or less 17.5bios+22.5 usually 40 sec

and yes i have 3/4 second of black screen after the window7 symbol leave before to see the background of my OS btw u can check on youtube there is tons of people that make video of w7 startup with SSD... don't count on me of doing something that useless but I check them out and the result are pretty much similar to what we are experimenting

idata
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I have write speeds which I think are a bit on the low side compared to results published in this discussion

Your write speeds appear spot on to me for an X25-M G2 80GB. Are you sure you're comparing to other 80GB's? The 160GB's have faster write speeds. If anything, maybe your random write 4kb speed is a tad slower than other 80GB's, but not by that much.

Edit: actually looking through the thread again, your 4kb write speed isn't so bad either!

idata
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Your CrystalDiskMark numbers look fine however v2.2 will not show much if any perfomance difference between running in AHCI vs IDE mode. What ACHI gives you is NCQ support and CDM v2.2 does not support queue depth greater than one. The latest CrystalDiskMark v3.0 Beta has a new field for 4K random (QD=32) and this is where you should see a notable difference in scores between IDE and AHCI modes.

In regards to your actual boot time question I would agree you have something else most likely unrelated to your SSD that is causing the slow boot times. I haven't timed my Win7 system but I would say it boots well under 30sec.

idata
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Switch to AHCI. It makes a big difference, because when you start W7 a lot of small files are loaded in parallel.Here is the result for my computer before and after I switched in W7 to AHCI:

IDE Mode

AHCI mode

The most important test is the 4K QD32. This tests reading a lot of small files in 32 parallel threads. 18 vs 160 MB/s makes a big difference and is caused by the command queing support that that AHCI has.

idata
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My computer currently takes 20-25 seconds to boot into my desktop (and for the hourglass to go away).

Here is my latest benchmark:

idata
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My computer takes longer than it should to startup as well. I have an X25-m G2 80GB running win7 64.

Crystaldisk numbers look good, but takes atleast 30 secs to get from start of 'starting windows' screen to desktop.

Don't have much software installed, but have an external esata drive connected to my onboard sata ports via an external bracket, and 2 500gb 7200 hdds in raid 0. Therefore my bios is set to raid rather than ahci.

If I were to get rid of my raid drives, and switch to ahci, is this likely to speed up my boot time? I'm getting S.M.A.R.T warnings for the raid drives anyway, so might be time for them to go.

Or could it be the esata? This certainly adds to my bios post time, but I'm more concerned about the actual windows loading time.

idata
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I have 32bit win 7 and I am booting in 25 sec from button on and windows itself 15 sec.

idata
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I have 2x80gb x25-m with latest firmware in RAID-0

number crystalmark are

500-160

320-160

24-68

boot window7 in 22/23 sec (my antivirus bitdefender slow it down a lil)

my problem is more on the closing seem to take too long to turn off but oh well...

idata
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The only reason I mentioned the Intel drivers is that my system had them already installed. What happened is when I installed my 2x160GB drives and did the registry hack for MSAHCI and rebooted, set the AHCI on in BIOS, and went to boot the OS the system would BSOD. I tried a couple different configurations and no matter what MSAHCI wasn't loading. I went in and used the same method for msahci on the iaStor and iaStorV drivers and the system booted right in.

idata
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I am running a pair of X25-M G2 160's in RAID0 @ 503 MB/sec seq read. Using a stop watch - from the moment I click Start Windows 7 from my static BootIT bootmanager window (which really marks a solid Windows launch point), I get 25 seconds all the way through no hourglass with or without my startup items (using msconfig) enabled or disabled. Shutdown takes 8 seconds.

idata
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i think normal starting time should be set between 20 and 25 but as i said some device like antivirus can slow down the effective start (when your cursor turn finally to arrow)

on the other hand my closing time can get 20/30 sec but i have a ram-disk and i make him save Disk Image on shoot down i am sure that count

idata
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I guess i will give some times. Running 2009 unibody macbook pro 17 inch. Have 160GB Intel. Split the drive into OSX and Win7 64.

I timed mine from the start of the "starting Windows" message. It takes 15.75 seconds until i get the prompt for my password. After I enter my password it is less than a second before the desktop appears and i'm ready. One thing you should check is the startup programs. I disabled Real Player from startup because after i installed that program it took longer for my desktop to appear(more like 15-20 seconds) after I typed the password. The only thing that is starting up at windows launch are the nvidia programs and the Realtek program. Also, i've disabled Superfetch and pre-fetch.

idata
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But that's not from pushing the power button.

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