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idata
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ISM and RTS question

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OK, got a question that I am having a really hard time finding.

I do get a lot of returns on RTS and TRIM, but nothing on this question.

So for a while I have been really used to IMS (Intel Matrix Storage). Now that RTS has downloads out for what is replacing IMS my question is this.

Do I uninstall IMS Reboot

and

Install RTS = Thats it?

Also the latest version I have is

9.5.7.1002 ..........Anything newer?

I wouldnt keep both since they both do the same thing right?

Specs

Rampage II Extreme (Intel Chipset)

2 Intell SSD's G2 80GB

2 HDD RAID 0

Thanks for all the expert help!

John

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DZand
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joconnor3881 schrieb:

Do I uninstall IMS Reboot

and

Install RTS = Thats it?

Also the latest version I have is

9.5.7.1002 ..........Anything newer?

I wouldnt keep both since they both do the same thing right?

Here are my answers:

1. You can install the IRST package without any problems. The IMSM software will be uninstalled automaticly.

2. The latest IRST version is 9.5.7.1002.

3. It is impossibe to run both IRST and IMSM simultaneously, because I are doing the same job (but another way).

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DZand
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joconnor3881 schrieb:

Do I uninstall IMS Reboot

and

Install RTS = Thats it?

Also the latest version I have is

9.5.7.1002 ..........Anything newer?

I wouldnt keep both since they both do the same thing right?

Here are my answers:

1. You can install the IRST package without any problems. The IMSM software will be uninstalled automaticly.

2. The latest IRST version is 9.5.7.1002.

3. It is impossibe to run both IRST and IMSM simultaneously, because I are doing the same job (but another way).

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idata
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Thanks Fernando!

Just did it the old fashion way I guess:)

Uninstalled IMS

Installed IRST

So last question...if its new by Intel why is it so hard to find the software? Is it not fully released yet?

John

DZand
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joconnor3881 schrieb:

if its new by Intel why is it so hard to find the software? Is it not fully released yet?

Intel hasn't yet published the Rapid Storage Technology drivers and software v9.5.7.1002, but you can get the complete package inclusive the RST software at Station-Drivers.

idata
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Sorry for butting in, but I have an Intel X-25V with bios and OS set as AHCI, and Trim is enabled, so should I install this RST 9.5.7.1002

http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20raid.htm

idata
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Tosh9i.....I noticed a diff:)

idata
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But you have yours set up as RAID which doesn't support Trim. Mine is a single SSD with ACHI, which does support Trim.

And I'm curious as to whether or not this new version supports Trim and if I should install it.

Sorry, all this SSD, TRIM, ACHI, is new to me. Up until a couple days ago, I had no idea what they stood for.

Update: Well, by upgrading the RST driver, I managed to increase the WEI of the hard drive (SSD) from 5.9 to 7.7. Now my WEI score is 7.4.

DZand
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tosh9i schrieb:

And I'm curious as to whether or not this new version supports Trim and if I should install it.

None of the currently available Intel AHCI drivers do natively support the Trim command.

Nevertheless it is a good idea to install them, because

a) they are optimized for being used with Intel SSD's and

b) the use of the Optimizer (=part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even a better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers.

Regards

Fernando

idata
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@Fernando...

Since I have seen your name around these boards a lot maybe you can give me an update as well to the current status.

THINGS I UNDERSTAND

TRIM= Automatic on AHCI

TRIM= Manaul if you use RAID using toolbox

TRIM= Doesnt work if you run RAID0, either auto or using toolbox

Since I have my bios set to RAID and have the following setup

2 Intel X25 80GB G2 (newest Firmware) RAID0

2 WDBE RAID0

My performance seems great! Just like some things I should watch out for, and any idea when the new RTS will support RAID.

Last but not least windows reconized my ssd's but still writes to my prefetch folder. Everything else is turned off by windows. Is this because I still have 2 HDD's installed??

Thanks

John

DZand
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@ joconnor3881:

Here ae some details regarding TRIM:

  • TRIM will only be automaticly supported, if you are running Win7 and using the generic MS IDE/AHCI or future Intel RST AHCI drivers v9.6.x.xxxx.

     

  • Manual TRIMming using the Optimizer of Intel's Toolbox is no problem as long as your SSD's are not running in RAID mode.

     

  • TRIM is not supported at all, if your SSD's are connected with SATA ports running in RAID mode. If you want to clean the SSD, you have to use a tool like HDDErase (only usable after having broken the RAID).

It is possible, that Win7 is still using the Prefetch option, because your SSD's are within a RAID array. If you don't want it, you can disable the Prefetch option manually.

Regards

Fernando

idata
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Hi Fernando,

Out of interest, where did you see mention of TRIM with (future) 9.6.x RST?

Cheers.

DZand
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Ozz schrieb:

Out of interest, where did you see mention of TRIM with (future) 9.6.x RST?

Look into the first post of this thread: /message/86930# 86930 http://communities.intel.com/message/86930# 86930

Regards

Fernando

idata
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idata
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I use that old standard msahci driver and get WEI score of 7.7, a score that has been consistent, never got below that since TRIM firmware installed.

idata
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"b) the use of the Optimizer (=part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even a better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers."

Now, Fernando, how is it possible for running TRIM via Optimizer better than automatic TRIM??? If anything, I see TRIM running automatically as the best way to go.

DZand
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ambizytl schrieb:

"b) the use of the Optimizer (=part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even a better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers."

Now, Fernando, how is it possible for running TRIM via Optimizer better than automatic TRIM??? If anything, I see TRIM running automatically as the best way to go.

This is what a German expert had written http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/14174951-post1191.html here about the difference of automatic and manual TRIM (translation done by me):

"My experience with TRIM is, that you will get the best results by doing it manually with Intel's Toolbox.

You will not see the speed difference in usual benchmark tests, but I see the difference, when I use the AS SSD benchmark test."

Regards

Fernando

idata
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The funny thing about experts is they often disagree. Now I don't claim to be an expert, but I question what you say. For one thing, my AS SSD benchmark result is better than what I saw you post, so I don't know what you mean.

idata
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Message deleted--replied to wrong person.

Message was edited by: ambizytl

DZand
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@ ambizytl:

Your benchmark results and the comparison with those I have published previously doesn't verify, that there is no difference between manual and automatic trimming, because

a) we probably do have different SATA Controllers and defintively are using different AHCI drivers, and

b) you used another (older) version of the AS SSD benchmark tool than me.

Furthermore I didn't affirm, that according to my own experience the manual Trim by using the Optimizer may be better than the automatic Trim.

Regards

Fernando

idata
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Well, unless you can confirm there is a difference, then the only conclusion I can draw from your result and mine is there is no advantage using manual TRIM. As for our different versions of AS SSD, I seriously doubt that is of any significance.

One so-called "expert" making a statement without qualifying it by posting results to prove his/her point is useless information to me.

DZand
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ambizytl schrieb:

Well, unless you can confirm there is a difference, then the only conclusion I can draw from your result and mine is there is no advantage using manual TRIM.

This is a useless discussion. You cannot use the comparison of our AS SSD benchmark results done with different systems as certification, that there is no advantage using manual TRIM. I am quite sure, that the differences between our benchmark results have nothing to do with TRIM.

Please remember, what I have written regarding this point:

"The use of the Optimizer (= part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers."

Regards

Fernando

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