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idata
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Reformating a partition and Nand

For the Intel X-25, to reformat the hard drive does it require a special utility to make the Nand in it like new or will a regular format do the job?

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idata
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If you are installing Win 7 and use the quick format option it will TRIM the drive. For other versions of Window's and for all versions of Macs you can use hdderase to run secure erase, which will reset the drive's performance back to factory condition.

The Intel Toolbox can also run a secure erase, but only on an unformated disk.

idata
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Where do I find this HDDerase?

 

I need to reinstall Vista64 onto my SSD.

 

All sugestions welcome.

 

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idata
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If you are reinstalling Vista you might find it much easier to use the Repair option in your install CD. You can open Diskpart under this option, identify your drive and then use the "CLEAN ALL" command. This would reset your SSD to new condition. It is the simplest way to set up the SSD for reinstallation. If you are not familiar with the use of Diskpart, please post and I will lay out the step-by-step process. By the way, this works great with Windows 7 and I am assuming that these options are similar to Vista.

idata
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Actually i have Windows 7,unfortunately the licence expired ,so instead of shelling out another 200 dollars to Microsoft I'll simply use my old Vista 64.I've decided to delete the Windows 7 OS by using the the Windows 7 disk,then shutting down the computer.I'm stalling until I get a full understanding about the F6 drivers applied to Vista 64.Someone said theres a problem.Something about AHCI not working under Vista .If thats the case I doubt the Intel SSD toolbox will work and it will limit the performance of the SSD.what are your thoughts?

mmokk
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Guest wrote:

Actually i have Windows 7,unfortunately the licence expired ,so instead of shelling out another 200 dollars to Microsoft I'll simply use my old Vista 64.I've decided to delete the Windows 7 OS by using the the Windows 7 disk,then shutting down the computer.I'm stalling until I get a full understanding about the F6 drivers applied to Vista 64.Someone said theres a problem.Something about AHCI not working under Vista .If thats the case I doubt the Intel SSD toolbox will work and it will limit the performance of the SSD.what are your thoughts?

assuming your drive is a g2, you can simply install vista and the toolbox as normal and then run the optimizer to trim the drive. i.e. you don't really need to secure erase the drive unless it's degraded really badly.

ahci works in vista. the optimizer does not require ahci mode, but problems can arise with certain sata controller/mode/driver combinations. you didn't specify your pc hardware configuration.

idata
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Above should read "infocus" instead of guest..

idata
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The Bios is set in AHCI,Raid 0.With the OS on the SSD.Yes its a G2.

mmokk
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you mean the g2 is part of a raid 0 array? then the toolbox optimizer will not work. if the sata controller is in raid mode, but the g2 is not part of the array, then the optimizer should work, controller/driver combination permitting. what chipset does your motherboard use?

idata
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I have an Intel chipset.The SSD is not in Raid!

 

A guy on another computer forum stated that if using Vista on an SSD that instead of using Intels F6 drivers ,its best to use the IMSM drivers,due to a glitch in Vista.I'd prefer to apply the F6 drivers during the OS install.whats your opinion?
idata
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Although I'm not sure what your intended configuration is, tell us if the following is correct. You have an Intel G2 SSD which you'll use for your OS drive. You also have HDDs that you'd like to be in RAID 0. You're using Vista 64 bit because your Win 7 license expired, but you have a disk for it (I don't get that, and BTW I have purchased Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit for $100 several times for different PCs, from newegg and CompUSA.) You want to install the Intel RAID software (BTW, Intel's latest RAID is called RST and should be downloaded from Intel, free of course) during the OS installation via the F6 option due to a glitch with Vista. Sorry, but you need to be very clear with these details, they are important!

Here's what I did with a new Intel G2 SSD and Vista 32 bit installation. With the SSD installed, I just did a simple Vista install, no driver F6 step. Of course, that was done in IDE mode. Afterwards, I download the Intel RST drivers, but did not install. Next you perform a Registry tweak to force Windows into AHCI mode. Instruction for that can be found here, first for Win 7 and then Vista, although they are virtually identical:

http://windows7themes.net/switch-to-ahci-after-install-windows-7.html http://windows7themes.net/switch-to-ahci-after-install-windows-7.html

http://www.itwriting.com/blog/288-enabling-ahci-on-vista.html http://www.itwriting.com/blog/288-enabling-ahci-on-vista.html

After the registry edit, you restart the PC and go into the BIOS and set your storage configuration to AHCI. Save and finish booting. Next, install the Intel RST driver, which gives you RAID and the best AHCI driver for your SSD. Then restart your PC and change from AHCI to RAID. Your SSD will still get full AHCI functionality. Save and finish booting. You should then be able to configure your RAID setup. If you are not creating a RAID array, skip the last BIOS update. Part of the point of doing it this way is to avoid the F6 step, which IMO can be "glitchy".

Regardless, you should secure erase the SSD, and using Win 7 with your SSD is better than Vista in general, due to it's native support of TRIM. The Intel Toolbox works fine on Vista, and keeps your SSD TRIM'd, although you depend on the Toolbox for that. My Vista PC with a G2 SSD works just fine, and as one hardware review web site wrote, "... makes Vista useable...", referring to it's otherwise sluggish performance. Actually, my Vista/SSD PC shuts down and sleeps faster than my Win 7/SSD PC, although they use different CPUs, etc.

idata
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I bought the full version of Windows 7 ultimate.It came with a developers licence,now expired.The installation of windows 7 onto my SSD went without a hitch.I don"t mind Vista ,in fact I like Vista more than Win 7 for a variety of reasons.I've spent enough on this computer so another copy of Win 7 is out of the question.

 

I"ve read that the Windows 7 disk will cleanly delete and with a quick format make my SSD ready for installation of Vista.So you don't recommend using the F6 option?And why not simply install Vista with the BIOS preset in AHCI mode?
idata
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I didn't say I don't recommend the F6 option, just that you must have the necessary equipment, a floppy drive or the driver on a flash drive, etc, and that it seems more prone to failure with some users.

Setting the BIOS to AHCI mode and not installing the correct driver when you do the OS installation leaves you without AHCI mode. Once you install the OS without the AHCI driver, the only way to actually enable the AHCI driver is with the registry edit. That is just an eccentricity of WIndows. That is discussed in the links I provided.

If you format your SSD on Win 7, it will send the TRIM command(s) to your SSD, but I'm not sure if that is equivalent to a full secure erase.

idata
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For a new installation if you set the BIOS to AHCI both Vista and Win 7 will install a default generic MS AHCI driver if you choose not to F6 drivers for your specific chipset during the installation process. It is not possible to be in AHCI mode in the BIOS and IDE in the OS

Using the latest driver for your chipset is preferable to using the default MS AHCI driver but there is nothing stopping you from updating the default driver after the installation is complete. It doesn't really matter which way round you it. (i.e. during or after installation).

mmokk
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vista and 7 have default drivers for ahci and intel raid, so you can skip the f6 step if setup sees your ssd. you can run the full irst package install after you get vista set up.

mmokk
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parsec wrote:

If you format your SSD on Win 7, it will send the TRIM command(s) to your SSD, but I'm not sure if that is equivalent to a full secure erase.

they're not the same thing, but for the purpose of installing an operating system, there's no real reason to choose a full secure erase over a quick format with windows 7 on a trim capable drive.

idata
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Thanks everyone.I will set up Vista the same as I did with Win 7.Using an external floppy and install the latest vista RST drivers during the OS's initial installation using the F6 option.Hopefully all will go smoothly .

idata
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redux wrote:

It is not possible to be in AHCI mode in the BIOS and IDE in the OS

Well, I've actually seen this myself, but the actual mode the PC was in was IDE. This situation occurs when installing an OS in IDE mode, and then later setting the BIOS to AHCI, with the registry edit not done. I've seen this in several mother board's BIOS, and is just one of those weird situations. The BIOS allowed me to do this, but the MS AHCI driver does not load upon reboot, as I'm sure you know.

I mention this only to point out to some readers that simply setting the BIOS to AHCI does not guarantee the result will be a file system in AHCI mode. There are other factors that must be accounted for.

Or did your statement have a purpose I am missing?

idata
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Thanks parsec.Again ,that's why I feel setting the Bios in AHCI ,and applying Intels RST drivers during the install is so important.Changing the BIOS after an install will normally cause blue screen.I think the registry edit you mention is for the Intel driver package that can be applied after the OS is installed.Correct me if I'm wrong.

mmokk
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Infocus wrote:

Thanks parsec.Again ,that's why I feel setting the Bios in AHCI ,and applying Intels RST drivers during the install is so important.Changing the BIOS after an install will normally cause blue screen.

you can install the drivers at setup if you want, but it is not strictly necessary unless setup cannot detect your drive. you won't be getting a blue screen, because you won't be changing the sata mode. why would you need to? simply set the sata mode you want to use (ahci), then run setup and install windows. it is just that simple. if for some reason in the future you'd like to switch modes, then you may need to worry about the registry settings.

I think the registry edit you mention is for the Intel driver package that can be applied after the OS is installed.

the registry setting is needed only if you switch sata modes in the bios and the os blue screens as a result. this can happen if you, for example, install windows in ide mode and then later switch to ahci. but if you are installing windows in ahci mode to begin with, and you plan on staying in ahci mode, then you won't be switching sata modes. no need to worry about blue screens or registry settings.

idata
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You're welcome Infocus, and you've gotten good advice from others here too. Yes, you are correct about the registry edit thing, and I agree with your statements about driver installation. Mistermokkori sums this all up very well. Also, I had forgotten about the blue sceen thing.

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