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idata
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Too many conflicting posts in this forum!

I've read a whole bunch of posts about IDE, AHCI, Toolbox and trim. What a mess. I can't find head from tail.So many contradictory posts. Are some people giving opinions based on posts they've read.. which might be false to being with!?

Is their some official support forum from Intel where Intel support employees can give authoratative answers or because this is a community forum anything goes? I really don't want to bother with I-am-Not-sure answers. I need definite yes or no.

I would like to see an official FAQ from intel answering the common questions. Such as.. does Trim work on IDE port or not (regardles if I should be using AHCI)

I have seen two visible camps around this question.

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idata
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Here you go:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=505&Itemid=38&limit=1&limitsta... http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=505&Itemid=38&limit=1&limitsta...

"TRIM is non-specific to either SATA controller mode, and will work equally well in both IDE and AHCI-mode."

But if you want that listed at Intel.com the fence is all yours.

idata
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Exactly.... I just said that in my post, "The Optimizer and RST are 2 of my questions because there seems to be a big debate wether they are needed are not." ( Windows 7, AHCI, X25-M, no Raid )

I haven't done either because of all the conflicting posts on it.

Will

idata
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Exactly.... I just said that in my post, "The Optimizer and RST are 2 of my questions because there seems to be a big debate wether they are needed are not." ( Windows 7, AHCI, X25-M, no Raid )

I haven't done either because of all the conflicting posts on it.

Will

Here is another bit of info for you:

http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-031491.htm http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/CS-031491.htm

idata
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Peter,

I am not sure what you are saying, I should be using the RST drivers?

I looked at the chipset list, I have the P45 which is not on there.

idata
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Your P45 is list as "Intel® 4 Series Chipset" it saves someone from having to list all of them.

I'm not saying anything that page just says "Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 9.6 supports TRIM in AHCI mode and in RAID mode for drives that are not part of a RAID volume." so its up to you should you use it or not.

idata
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When Windows 7 first came out the only driver that automatically passed the TRIM command was the default MS ACHI driver. Subsequently Intel released the RST 9.6 driver that could automatically pass the TRIM command. Intel recommends using the RST 9.6 driver as it optimises performance and endurance. http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/newusersguide.pdf http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/newusersguide.pdf

When RST 9.6 came out there was a mistake in the documentation. If you have an Intel SSD that is a non-member of a raid array it will allow TRIM. If it is a member of the raid array it will not enable TRIM.

If you have the option always use AHCI in preference to IDE. On the second post in this thread Intel explain why it is better to use AHCI.

/thread/10495?tstart=0 http://communities.intel.com/thread/10495?tstart=0

There is loads of official help here:

http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/ssdc/x25m-80gb http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/ssdc/x25m-80gb

idata
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All right I installed the RST drivers, so far I don't see any difference. My AS SSD benchmark actually went down a few points.

Are you guys using the RST?

And what about the Toolbox? The one PDF you sent the link for says if you are using Windows 7 you don't need the Toolbox. I have also seen a lot people say you shouldn't run the Optimizer or System Configuration Tuner.

When I do run the System Configuration Tuner it says to turn on DIPM, what does that do?

Will

idata
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If you are running Window 7 with either the default MS AHCI driver or the RST driver 9.6 you do not need the toolbox trim feature as it will be trimming automatically.

There is nothing stopping you running a manual trim from the toolbox but you don't need to. There are however other tools in the toolbox that make it worth installing.

Run the System Configuration Tuner and it will automatically set the right system settings for you as defined by Intel. The toolbox also has other useful tools like SMART info and diagnostic tools.

EDIT: DIPM = Device-Initiated Link Power Management. The System Config Tuner will take any action that may be required when you run it.

idata
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I guess some questions are more and so what or it works so why ask or it just seem more important then it really is and really is not that important at all...

All right I installed the RST drivers, so far I don't see any difference. My AS SSD benchmark actually went down a few points.

Are you guys using the RST?

Maybe you had a good run when you did it last or maybe its the driver but really it works. I use RST 9.6.4.1002 the new 10. driver may be out soon and listed on Intel site.

And what about the Toolbox? The one PDF you sent the link for says if you are using Windows 7 you don't need the Toolbox. I have also seen a lot people say you shouldn't run the Optimizer or System Configuration Tuner.

What about toolbox well here is another PDF saying "There is no known risk of harm to the SSD due to continuous repeated use of the tool.".

http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/intel_ssd_optimizer_white_paper_rev_2.pdf http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/intel_ssd_optimizer_white_paper_rev_2.pdf

idata
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Is the RST software for Intel chipset only or for any chipset from any company? My motherboard uses AMD's.

idata
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RST does not apply to you the toolbox can be used on any motherboard.

idata
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So is RST for Intel chipsets only?

idata
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...Yes RST is for Intel chipsets only.

idata
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Ok.. I wish people recommending RST to qualify that recommendation with the fact that it's only for users with Intel chipsets. I have read posts about trim working only with MS's AHCI driver or with RST. This implies I can use RST. A lot of us use Intel SSD with motherboards from other vendors like Asus and Gigabyte withg AMD CPUs.

idata
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I take it you bought an Nvidia chipset? I did that once but it was a really bad idea. I'd suggest you buy an Intel chipset, use an Intel processor and an Intel SSD. Compatibility should always be a factor when you're researching what PC or components to buy.

idata
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I have an AMD cpu and chipset. I can use MS's AHCI fine. An SSD is just a drive. It should work with any motherboard & chipset & CPU.

idata
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You're the one suggesting that the Intel Rapid Storage Technology should work on an AMD chipset. Why should Intel make and support software for products they don't sell and to be used by their competitors? It doesn't make business sense. Also if you want to use Intel software you should have bought Intel products. If you look at the read me file on the Intel Rapid Storage Technology download it gives you compatibility advice.

idata
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I NEVER said Intel Rapid Storage Technology should work on an AMD chips. I said that if one recommends using Rapid Storage Technology then mention that it's for Intel chipsets only. I have AMD chipset and I don't want to install IRST and find out it screwed up my computer and it doesn't boot anymore because it replaced my current working drivers. I get the sense some people think that if I am using an Intel SSD, posting on an Intel forum that I am also using an Intel motherboard and chipset!

idata
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abdu, as far as I know for TRIM to work (automatically) with AMD chipsets you need to run the default Microsoft AHCI drivers. I don't think AMD have released a driver yet that (automatically) passes TRIM. (I'm sure they will at some stage).

Intel SSD's work just fine with AMD chipsets and CPU's.

You have 2 choices:

Use the MS AHCI driver or

Use the toolbox to TRIM if you use the AMD driver.

Sorry for assuming you had an Intel chipset.

idata
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In your own words:

Ok.. I wish people recommending RST to qualify that recommendation with the fact that it's only for users with Intel chipsets. I have read posts about trim working only with MS's AHCI driver or with RST. This implies I can use RST. A lot of us use Intel SSD with motherboards from other vendors like Asus and Gigabyte withg AMD CPUs.

Funnily enough Intel Rapid Storage Technology doesn't work on AMD or Nvidia chipsets. Intel FTW.

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