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idata
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Will the 34nm 25X-M drives be the only ones that will be able to be flashed for TRIM support?

After reading for a while I don't see this question being answered clearly. I have one of the black X25-M drives and with today's annocement of the silver ones (with a different controller) it mentions that they will support a TRIM update when Windows 7 comes out.

Was curious as I'd rather pay a restocking fee and shipping to send my curent x25 back to the seller and pick up a siler x25 when they are out.

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idata
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If you read Anands article: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3605 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3605

 

 

"TRIM Support: Not For 50nm Drives    Part of today's announcement is the fact that Intel will enable TRIM on these 34nm drives when Windows 7 ships. Intel is planning on releasing a user downloadable firmware update that will enable TRIM support. Windows Vista and XP users will get a performance enhancement tool that presumably will just manually invoke the TRIM command. I suspect that Intel is waiting until Windows 7 to enable TRIM support is to make sure that everything is thoroughly tested. As we've seen with other attempts to enable TRIM, it's a tricky thing to do.    The disappointing part of the announcement is that there's no TRIM support for the first gen 50nm drives. As far as I can tell, this isn't a technical limitation of the drives, but rather something Intel is choosing to enable only on the 34nm products."

 

 

So, no Trim tool or Trim on Gen# 1 SSD's, just because Intel does not care about "old" products when they want to sell new ones, what a "surprice"... Shafting most of the SSD enthusiast crowd is going to cost them dearly, and there are alot of pissed off Gen# 1 owners on the SSD forums. There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour..
idata
Community Manager
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I can't believe it... this is absurd. This is unacceptable behavior for such a big company...

idata
Community Manager
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Ourasi wrote:

If you read Anands article: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3605 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3605

 

 

"TRIM Support: Not For 50nm Drives    Part of today's announcement is the fact that Intel will enable TRIM on these 34nm drives when Windows 7 ships. Intel is planning on releasing a user downloadable firmware update that will enable TRIM support. Windows Vista and XP users will get a performance enhancement tool that presumably will just manually invoke the TRIM command. I suspect that Intel is waiting until Windows 7 to enable TRIM support is to make sure that everything is thoroughly tested. As we've seen with other attempts to enable TRIM, it's a tricky thing to do.    The disappointing part of the announcement is that there's no TRIM support for the first gen 50nm drives. As far as I can tell, this isn't a technical limitation of the drives, but rather something Intel is choosing to enable only on the 34nm products."

 

 

So, no Trim tool or Trim on Gen# 1 SSD's, just because Intel does not care about "old" products when they want to sell new ones, what a "surprice"... Shafting most of the SSD enthusiast crowd is going to cost them dearly, and there are alot of pissed off Gen# 1 owners on the SSD forums. There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour..

Here's the kicker... He said that, but didn't provide any data to back it up. I would like to hear it officially from Intel before trying to return my drive.

idata
Community Manager
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Agreed. So far it is only a rumour, but it again highlights the lack of Intel's PR ability when it comes to their ssd product range.

idata
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Along with Endoplasmic

I also would like to see the 1st Generation 50nm X-25M drives receive a firmware update for TRIM and other enhancements/bug fixes Intel addressed during the R&D of the new 34nm drives.

Not meaning to troll or flame, but WE paid a premium on the 1st Generation Drives, it would not be fair for Intel to forget us like this.

With any luck Anandtech were guessing because Intel did not make an official statement on an ETA for this firmware update.

With anyluck we will have new firmware by October/November

Please could Intel make a statement on this

John

idata
Community Manager
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Usually, it's from Intels mouth to Anand's keyboard, so cannot imagine he would state this without a clear answer from Intel before typing this... If however he is mistaken (not likely), or an Intel turnaround occurs (!), they would avoid alot of heat from the from the worst crowd to dissapoint, the enthusiasts... Trim is needed to clear out LBA and avoid constant used state for the normal user, and the enthusiast is pretty tired of HDDErase.

Still, I agree, a clear statement from Intel is needed...

idata
Community Manager
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I am mildly put outraged by this decission from Intel!

The forthmost reason I decided to buy Intel G1 myself (despite its high prices), instead of:

- OCZ Vertex

- SuperTalent Ultradrive ME

- G.Skill Falcon

- Patriot Torqx

(Which all have the great 64MB cached Indilinx Barefoot controller and is much cheaper than Intel G1)

Was because Intel was gonna release TRIM in a future G1 firmware!

I spent many months on this decision before i finally went trough with it and bough Intel X25-M80 G1. This drive is indeed very expensive so I could not afford more of them at that time in june 2009. 80GB was not adequate for my needs and my plans were to expand with more G1s later and run them in Raid-0 when TRIM and Windows7 was released. Thanks for making this a big no-go!

Instead of feeling that Ive bought a great product I now feel Ive been tricked, abused and fooled by Intel and that I now have a product which is substantially less worth to me.

I will not anymore recommend any of my contacts, customers or connections to buy an Intel SSD if this is not reconsidered! Before this Intel was on my top recommendation for anyone asking about SSD.

- I am outraged on Intel because of this.

- The second-hand prices will plumit because of this (thanks Intel!)

- Theres is no longer any interest in expanding it with more G1 80GBs to get the needed space.

- I can hardly use it for anything useful because of the small space.

- I wont touch G2 because of this and will inform everyone about this breach of trust.

This is just plain disrespect of your customers!

Regards

39 yo Senior System Consultant.

idata
Community Manager
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What about X25-E G1?

idata
Community Manager
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It will not get TRIM firmware either according to Anand..

The fact is, without TRIM, no SSD is working like it's intended to do, and all manufacturers - including Intel - have correctly put the blame on the lack of a proper SSD friendly OS, now we get the SSD friendly OS, and a hope that now, finally the SSD we bought for a heafty price will work like it should, instead we get shafted by Intel. I can feel the pain in my bones and I feel for all G1 owners....

idata
Community Manager
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Ourasi, i disagree here:

- SLC drives will only get slower for around 10%

- if you want an SSD in your laptop.....fine, but to get the best out of SSD's one must go Raid0 with at least 3 drives, 4 is better.

- with 4 drives in Raid0, who cares about TRIM

Even my OCZ Core V1 still work perfectly after one year, no stuttering (in Raid0) still performing as should.

And believe me this are NOT your best drives ever (V1's i mean)

Jeff

idata
Community Manager
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Stay on topic here, this is about Trim, and the lack of a firmware update to support proper deletion and purging of LBA, no SSD is complete without it, period. Take a readup on http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531&p=10 and leave raid out of this discussion.. I have 2 Gen. 1 X25-M in raid0, and will happely split them if I got Trim FW, and there is just a matter of time before every controller out there supports Trim in raid0 etc.. If you don't care about TRIM, how nice for you, just respect those that do care, and know the effect of TRIM or lack of it...

This is what Anand thinks about current SSD owners and a TRIM firmware update:

"To the manufacturers making these drives: your customers buying them today at exorbitant prices deserve your utmost support. If it's possible to enable TRIM on existing hardware, you owe it to them to offer the upgrade. Their gratitude would most likely be expressed by continuing to purchase SSDs and encouraging others to do so as well. Upset them, and you'll simply be delaying the migration to solid state storage."

Looks like Intel just ignored that, and Anand "forgot" to to give Intel what they deserved for this kind of behaviour, dissapointing Anand, very dissapointing indeed.....

idata
Community Manager
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All previous attempts to get Intel to interact with end users via this forum have failed so this is most likely a waste of time but considering the brewing anger at reports of no TRIM support for G1 drives here goes anyway. Maybe if we are lucky we get the answer via Anandtech

Intel:

  • Please provide a statement on TRIM support for G1 drives. If it's not going to be forth coming what are the reasons?

  • When the firmware is updated for TRIM support on G2 drives will Intel raid drivers be updated at the same time so that TRIM works with a raid array?

  • When will the TRIM firmware update be issued for G2 drives? At the launch of Windows 7?

  • Will the X25-E G1's be provided with TRIM support? If not why?

And for the icing on the cake, what will the upcoming firmware update do for X25-E drives?

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foeve
Beginner
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If i have to respect those "NEEDING" trim, then this works also the other way around....

There where topics on the OCZ board about trim and products not supporting this, so? My V1's do not support trim and i could not care less.

I feel SSD's bought before trim was available, do not need this upgrade at any cost.

It Intel offers trim, so be it, but if not for products on the market BEFORE trim, one should accept this.

Anyway, this will not stop me from buying Intels drives.

Jeff

I had to create another account in order to be able to reply.

idata
Community Manager
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I respect that you have an opinion, but no, I do not respect that statement or opinion, as it it falls flat on it's face, as easy as that mate.. Either you have no clue what TRIM is, or you are arguing just for arguing sake.. And please, V1 have no baring on this case whatsoever, OCZ have stated V1 will not get TRIM for a long time, and if you are happy with them in their current state, fine for you, I think they are a POS...

The X25-M G1 have been pruchased by enthusiast up till now, july 2009, and if Intel stated many months ago they will never release a TRIM firmware on G1 and only give it to 34nm that was officially gonna be released Q4, they would have lost sales for millions as most of the potential buyers would just buy Vertex/Samsung or wait for 34nm. Sometime not saying anything is just as bad as a lying, this is one of these cases...

idata
Community Manager
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well i do know how Trim works and why it is needed......on MLC drives. As for The Core V1's....they will never ever get Trim, since they are not FLASHABLE.

Sure i am happy with the drives, considering the good performance, but the new drives are better.

Jeff

i hope you can see this

idata
Community Manager
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No reply Intel? I just don't understand why you guys can't communicate with end users and address reasonable questions?

  • Please provide a statement on TRIM support for G1 MLC drives. If it's not going to be forth coming what are the reasons?

  • When the firmware is updated for TRIM support on G2 drives will Intel raid drivers be updated at the same time so that TRIM works with a raid array?

  • When will the TRIM firmware update be issued for G2 drives? At the launch of Windows 7?

  • Will the X25-E G1's be provided with TRIM support? If not why?
idata
Community Manager
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Looks like there is No INTEL inside this "community"

idata
Community Manager
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It is somewhat concerning that still no official statement has been made with to regards future firmware updates for the X-25M (Gen1) drives

Intel have released an upgrade to the firmware updater tool (bringing it to 1.2), but sadly this still contains the same old 8820 firmware we have had for a few months now. My hope is that Intel will release an updated firmware intime or at launch of Windows 7 as currently the Gen1 X-25M drives do not have any critical errata (unlike the Gen2 drives which had the BIOS password bug)

John

idata
Community Manager
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Intel are on record as saying that the enthusiast market was a key target for their ssd's yet they don't seem to have the ability or willingness (maybe both) to interact on even a basic level to keep their enthusiast market informed. A real shame and maybe something Intel will later regret as competitor ssd's improve and costs go down.

idata
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Like a lot of other people I've cancelled my order for the G2. Without TRIM there is no point upgrading and there is no info on when TRIM will be available or if it will work in raid. No doubt the G2 will be cheaper when it is available and in-between time the value prop from other suppliers provides a better choice. I'm also selling my X25-e's. I fed up of waiting to see if TRIM will be available for them and for the new fw. The X25-e degradation is just not acceptable.

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