Can Tekken 8 performance be improved?

[GTX]

Hello, I have previously reported on Tekken 8 performance and errors several times.

Intel released the 5186 version driver on January 24, 2024, promising that Tekken 8 would run smoothly at 1440p Ultra settings, and with XeSS, it would be possible to use 4K Ultra settings. (https://game.intel.com/us/stories/intel-arc-game-on-driver-tekken-8-atelier-resleriana-infinite-wealth-palworld-dx11/)

But in reality, it didn't. Still, it's not so much that it would be a problem to run it. It runs smoothly at 1080p, and with a little bit of option adjustment or XeSS Quality enabled, it's playable at 1440p.

However, given the hardware specs and potential of the ARC A770, Tekken 8 should run at higher performance.

I felt a slight performance boost after the Tekken 8 Winter Update. Bandai Namco may have done some performance tuning for ARC.

Then there may be something Intel can do. If the game has internally tuned the performance, the drivers may need to be retuned as well.

This also works for the Battlemage B580.

This thread will be my last request regarding Tekken 8.

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

Thanks for posting in the community! To further assist you with this matter, I need a bit more context about the issue. Could you answer the following questions?

• Can you tell me more about the performance when you play Tekken 8 at 1440p on Ultra settings?
• What reference are you using to compare performance?
• Have you performed a clean installation when installing the new graphics driver?
• What is the average FPS you are getting when playing Tekken 8 at 1440p on Ultra settings? How about at 1080p on Ultra settings?

Additionally, could you try playing a whole game of Tekken 8 and use CapframeX to record the FPS? Then, please send the JSON file here in the thread. You can follow these steps to install CapframeX by scrolling down to the performance issue section: https://community.intel.com/t5/Intel-ARC-Graphics/Need-help-Reporting-a-bug-or-issue-with-Arc-GPU-PLEASE-READ-THIS/td-p/1494429

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hi DhannielM, thanks for your answer.

Tekken 8 supports various upscalers such as Bicubic, TAAU, TSR, NIS, and of course XeSS. Performance varies greatly depending on the upscaler and rendering scale settings. I think the A770 should play smoothly at 1440p with a rendering scale of 100.

The reason is that as explained in the link above, the game was able to play at 1440p ULTRA.

Each upscaler has similar performance at a rendering scale of 100. However, TSR, which is an upscaler exclusive to Unreal 5, has very high specifications.

In the case of Tekken 8, the maximum frame rate is capped at 60fps, and at frames below 60fps, the game is not played sluggishly, rather the screen is not stuttered. Therefore, maintaining 60fps is not an option, but a must.

I have several competing products, and the closest performance is the RTX 2070 8GB. Is that acceptable? According to 3DMark Score, Arc A770 16GB should be 1.5x faster than RTX 2070 8GB.

At 1080p, all upscalers render at 100 and play smoothly. The only exception is the TSR upscaler, which is a bit shaky (very high GPU usage) due to its high specs, but generally runs well. Turning off anti-aliasing helps a lot.

I'll tell you up front that at 1440p, using XeSS Ultra Quailty will allow for smooth play. But that's not what gamers want.

The 1440p ULTRA options I found are TSR at render scale 70 and TAAU at render scale 85. I understand that TSR may not be able to render at scale 100. However, upscalers like Bicubic, TAAU, NIS, etc. are capable of rendering at scale 100.

I'm attaching two json files according to the instructions. After pasting the OverlayEntryConfiguration_0.json file into the Configuration folder and running CapFrameX, the file keeps disappearing, so I'm not sure if it's been applied properly.

Luckily, the 32.0.101.6332/32.0.101.101.6253 drivers were updated and installed right before the test.

One is the TSR 100 ULTRA setting (the frame rate is low and the game is unplayable) and the other is the TAAU 100 ULTRA setting (the frame rate drops when certain effects occur, so if Intel helps a little, it can maintain 60fps!).

Please let me know if there's a problem with the json file.

According to the DirectX 12 Agility SDK Downloads website, the DX12 SDK version used in Tekken 8 is 1.608.2. Could this help with optimization?

As an aside, since Tekken 8 is not in the Profiles of Intel Graphics Software (Tekken 7 is), I think the optimal value of the driver may have been missed. Please check this as well.

[RandyT_Intel]

Hello GTX,

I will need some time to further investigate the issue. I will replicate this concern in our test lab and get back to you as soon as possible.

Best regards, 

Randy T. 

Intel Customer Support Technician 

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

Thank you for your patience. To accurately replicate and address this issue, I kindly request the following:

• A screenshot of your game settings
• Another CapframeX data capture, with a longer gameplay duration of around 5-10 minutes

This information will help me accurately test the issue on my end based on your game and system configuration. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

Let me know if you have the chance to look at my previous reply. At your earliest convenience please provide the answer to me so we can further investigate and resolve the issue. 

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hi! Here are the game graphics settings and json files attached! Hope it helps.

Also, I noticed that the drivers for ARC-A and ARC-B are still separate. Since ARC B580 is said to support HAGS, I hope that if the two drivers are integrated, it will help the A770 performance greatly.

And I downloaded and tested the unofficial XeSS 1.3.2 and 2.0.0. It didn't help the Tekken 8 frame rate improvement. I think it's probably not compatible with the current driver. I hope it improve. Thanks!

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

Thanks for this. However, I wanted to ask if you set the settings to TAAU when recording this CapframeX data? If yes, can you try recording another one while TSR is set to your setting? As you have mentioned before that TSR and TAAU is where the FPS is not high enough.

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hi. Above was TAAU setting and this time I captured with TSR.

I know TAAU is for Unreal 4 and TSR is for Unreal 5.

I can't play the game on TSR Ultra setting at 1440p. The game runs like slow motion.

If ARC A770 needs more than 50% performance boost to run the game smoothly at 1440p TSR Ultra, it might be a tall order.

But if you can get all the potential of A770, it might be possible. It will also be smoother at 1080p. Thank you.

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

I have received all the information. I will now conduct a check on my end. Thank you for your cooperation.

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

Thank you for your patience. After replicating the issue, we tested a different brand of GPU to compare the results with the A770 GPU. Please take a look at the image of the results.

Ultra - TAAU - 100% Rendering Scale: Arc A770 16GB v101.6559 vs. RTX 4060 8GB v572.16

Ultra - TSR - 100% Rendering Scale: Arc A770 16GB v101.6559 vs. RTX 4060 8GB v572.16

Based on our findings, the FPS is nearly identical to that of the RTX 4060 GPU. This indicates that the performance is as expected for its class when playing TEKKEN 8 with your settings. Let me know if you have other questions with regards to the results

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Thanks for your experiment, but I can't see the image. Could you fix it?

[DhannielM_Intel · Accepted solution]

Hello GTX,

Sure no worries please see the attached images again here:

Ultra - TAAU - 100% Rendering Scale: Arc A770 16GB v101.6559 vs. RTX 4060 8GB v572.16

Ultra - TSR - 100% Rendering Scale: Arc A770 16GB v101.6559 vs. RTX 4060 8GB v572.16

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hi Dhanniel M. Thanks for the detailed test. If the above test results are indeed QHD 1440p, I would guess that the frame drops in some areas are due to my CPU underpowering. Thanks.

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

The results indicate that whether the game is played at 1080p or 1440p, the discrepancies in FPS are minimal compared to the other GPUs we have tested. Given this consistency, would it be acceptable to close this inquiry?

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hello. Dhanniel M. Thank you for your careful game frame test. However, I have some questions.

First, is it true that you tested it on QHD 1440p? From what I tested, TAAU mostly maintains 60fps in 1440p environment, but the fps drops when some effects occur. TSR does not maintain 60fps at all from the beginning to the end.

Second, I wonder why the performance difference between TAAU and TSR is not big. It is the same reason as the first one.

Third, where did the 1% Low 3x fps come from?

I suspected the relatively low performance of my i7-11700k, so I increased the clock to the guaranteed maximum clock of 5.0Mhz. (It doesn't mean much because it is a CPU that has expired). But the result did not change.

If the test results are correct and the driver is optimized for the game, you can close the thread.

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

I apologize for not specifying the resolution in the previous results. The resolution for the setup using the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 is 1080p. For reference on 1440p resolution, please see the images below.

Tekken 8 - 1440p - Ultra - TAAU - 100% Render Scale (Average FPS - Arc A770 16 GB > 0.167% vs RTX 3060 12 GB)

Tekken 8 - 1440p - Ultra - TSR - 100% Render Scale (Average FPS - RTX 3060 GB > 4.6% vs Arc A770 16 GB)

Let me know if you have other clarification about this.

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hello, Dhanniel M. thanks for sharing your 1440p gaming results. Yes, that's right. That matches my testing results.

I mentioned that the A770 performs similarly to my RTX2070 in Tekken 8. And the RTX2070 performs similarly to the RTX3060 (to be exact, the 2070 is slightly better than the 3060).

I'm asking if the A770 is performing at the intended level in Tekken 8. If the A770's hardware specs and frame buffer make it competitive with the RTX 3060, then if it can't compete with the RTX 4060 at 1440p, then if the drivers are already optimized for the game, Okay. Please close the thread.

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

The Intel Arc A770 is performing as intended for its class of GPU. Additionally, if you examine the previous image, you'll notice that although it primarily run on 1080p gaming, it can also compete effectively with the NVIDIA RTX 4060 at 1440p. This means that whether you're gaming at 1080p or 1440p, the performance results are comparable, allowing for a head-to-head comparison between the two GPUs. With that can I ask if we can close the this inquiry?

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[GTX]

Hello Dhanniel M.

Finally, if you could tell me why you compared 1080p with RTX 4060 and 1440p with RTX 3060, I can close this thread.

[DhannielM_Intel]

Hello GTX,

First, I apologize for the inconsistent comparison. After testing Tekken 8 at 1440p using the 4060 and A770, I can confirm that the results remain nearly identical when utilizing TAAU. Therefore, I recommend enabling TAAU in the settings while playing the game. As mentioned earlier, this FPS performance is expected for a GPU of this caliber. Please see the image below for reference:

Let me know if we can close this inquiry or do you have other questions. 

Best regards,

Dhanniel M.

Intel Customer Support Technician