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...that's a very open ended question.
What I would like to know is: If I don't take advantage of this reduced priceing (none of the retailers had it as of the time I'm writing this, so what is it?) what do I miss out on? It was clearly stated in the announcement that CVF is still a separate product (even though we all know that the CVF team now works for Intel). We also know that CVF and Intel Fortran will be combined at some point (soon?). So if I don't go with this Intel 7 upgrade, will I have to pay full price for the combined offering later? Will it be HP/Compaq offering it or Intel? This is rather important for budgetting and planning. (and d@mn short notice if I have to go this way to get the combined product).
Matt
What I would like to know is: If I don't take advantage of this reduced priceing (none of the retailers had it as of the time I'm writing this, so what is it?) what do I miss out on? It was clearly stated in the announcement that CVF is still a separate product (even though we all know that the CVF team now works for Intel). We also know that CVF and Intel Fortran will be combined at some point (soon?). So if I don't go with this Intel 7 upgrade, will I have to pay full price for the combined offering later? Will it be HP/Compaq offering it or Intel? This is rather important for budgetting and planning. (and d@mn short notice if I have to go this way to get the combined product).
Matt
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Steve,
I read the post you mentioned in reply to Matt's post, and I don't think it answers his question. If I choose not to purchase Intel Fortran 7 at the discounted price for current registered CVF users by March 31, then will Intel still offer a heavily discounted upgrade to the new Intel Visual Fortran product? If it will, then will that discount likely be the same or less than the current discount ($200 purchase price) currently offered for the upgrade to Intel Fortran 7?
Mike
I read the post you mentioned in reply to Matt's post, and I don't think it answers his question. If I choose not to purchase Intel Fortran 7 at the discounted price for current registered CVF users by March 31, then will Intel still offer a heavily discounted upgrade to the new Intel Visual Fortran product? If it will, then will that discount likely be the same or less than the current discount ($200 purchase price) currently offered for the upgrade to Intel Fortran 7?
Mike
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I'm trying to get some more information about this before I respond in detail. I can tell you that we intend to offer upgrade discounts from CVF 6.6 to Intel Visual Fortran. We haven't determined what the price for that will be, nor what CVF versions would qualify.
Steve
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Obviously, I'm trying to figure out whether it's financially better for me to upgrade to Intel Fortran 7 by March 31 or to wait to upgrade straight to Intel Visual Fortran sometime later next year. It would be great to know what Intel plans to charge for a new copy of IVF. You may not be able to tell me that since IVF doesn't even exist as a product yet, but I'll appreciate any information you can share.
Price isn't everything. In your opinion is it better to port applications from CVF to IF7 and then to IVF or to do a single port from CVF to IVF? Does the answer to that question depend completely on many variables, such as whether the application is console-based or Windows API-based, etc.?
Mike
Price isn't everything. In your opinion is it better to port applications from CVF to IF7 and then to IVF or to do a single port from CVF to IVF? Does the answer to that question depend completely on many variables, such as whether the application is console-based or Windows API-based, etc.?
Mike
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I doubt that the price for Intel Visual Fortran (we won't refer to it as "IVF") will be set until shortly before release. Furthermore, there are several factors still up in the air that could affect the final price.
If you wanted me to guess, I'd guess that it would be a better "deal" to take advantage of the current deal, knowing that you'll get the Intel Visual Fortran upgrade at no additional license fee. (I'm guessing there will be a charge for media and printed docs, if you want them.)
As for porting - I don't recommend porting to Intel Fortran 7 unless you see a particular advantage to doing so. Our goal with Visual Fortran is "recompile and go", whereas the current Intel Fortran isn't THAT compatible with CVF.
Keep in mind that there's a free 30-day trial of Intel Fortran available, so why not download that and see what you think.
Steve
If you wanted me to guess, I'd guess that it would be a better "deal" to take advantage of the current deal, knowing that you'll get the Intel Visual Fortran upgrade at no additional license fee. (I'm guessing there will be a charge for media and printed docs, if you want them.)
As for porting - I don't recommend porting to Intel Fortran 7 unless you see a particular advantage to doing so. Our goal with Visual Fortran is "recompile and go", whereas the current Intel Fortran isn't THAT compatible with CVF.
Keep in mind that there's a free 30-day trial of Intel Fortran available, so why not download that and see what you think.
Steve
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Ok - heard back from the marketing manager, who confirmed what I suggested above. The future upgrade price is not set - it may be higher than the current $200 offer. It's unlikely to be lower.
Steve
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Steve,
Thanks for all the info.
This is a very minor point, but what's wrong with referring to Intel Visual Fortran as "IVF"? Many people using this forum refer to Compaq Visual Fortran as "CVF." I know that companies prefer to have people refer to their products in the proper way, but isn't using the abbreviation just a matter of saving some keystrokes?
Mike
Thanks for all the info.
This is a very minor point, but what's wrong with referring to Intel Visual Fortran as "IVF"? Many people using this forum refer to Compaq Visual Fortran as "CVF." I know that companies prefer to have people refer to their products in the proper way, but isn't using the abbreviation just a matter of saving some keystrokes?
Mike
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Why not IVF? Maybe they don't want to confuse it
with In-Vitro Fertilization.
with In-Vitro Fertilization.
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Still CVF? Since HP acquired CPQ, should it not be HVF :)
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HP retains the Compaq brand name for some products. CVF will keep the Compaq name into the transition.
Intel won't be referring to "IVF". For a while, the command line compile command was "ivf" and various files had "IVF" in their name. No more. We can't stop others from using those initials, but you won't see Intel encourage it. This certainly does pose a problem for us, though.
We have managed to convince senior management at Intel that the name "Visual Fortran" carries a lot of value in the Windows world, so we'll be keeping that. Initially, the plan had been to call the Linux compiler Visual Fortran as well, but that was dropped since the word "Visual" seemed to have negative connotations to many Linux users.
Steve
Intel won't be referring to "IVF". For a while, the command line compile command was "ivf" and various files had "IVF" in their name. No more. We can't stop others from using those initials, but you won't see Intel encourage it. This certainly does pose a problem for us, though.
We have managed to convince senior management at Intel that the name "Visual Fortran" carries a lot of value in the Windows world, so we'll be keeping that. Initially, the plan had been to call the Linux compiler Visual Fortran as well, but that was dropped since the word "Visual" seemed to have negative connotations to many Linux users.
Steve
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