I have some questions about these products.
I bought a new machine (HP Zbook Studio G5) and have a M10 and H10 module.
Before I put one of these in, I would like to talk to someone about their use.
Finally, if you reply...please post the question you are responding too. Thanks in advance.
To the best of my knowledge,
Since I had no other place in these answers to say so,
Hope this helps,
Okay. I'm back on this. Do you ever have days where you have nothing to show from the day, lol. I'm having one of those today...
Moving along to Optane...
Finally, the data on the H10 Module is unrecoverable with a failure, right? Example, I can have a 2.5 sata fail but send to a vendor to recover it. This option won't work for H10, right?
That makes no sense to you because your xxxxxx...
Seriously, you can't understand this? Let me make my case here further...
Windows recovery is useless, right? It's useless because it only recovers their OS on the SAME DRIVE! If the drive fails...your done! What would be better is to recover windows/linux and YOUR DATA.
Let me give you my situation to bring this light. I had a laptop that I was copying data to an external drive periodically. I was having to carry this extra drive everywhere with me. It added extra weight.
The computer was durable but the drive failed. The NEW external drive I bought just 6 months ago that I thought was going to last me for years died too. I lost years of data that I had just moved to it.
If I would have had the optane memory module on the computer that was copying my main data regularly, I could have just rebooted to the Optane module kept the system going wherever I was and copied that data to wherever I wanted as a warning. No calls to helpdesk, no trips immediately to a computer store, etc. I got an actionable event about the condition of my computer.
Another example, In Montgomery County, Maryland the bus company here has outdoor displays out in the field that are always going offline and they have to dispatch trucks to fix. With a second module, they could potentially have another option to regain control of the displays and not dispatch trucks. Electronics are not consistently reliable and can fail expectantly. An additional, affordable Optane drive can make the computing world a better place. The warranty is great but it can never replace the data lost on the drive. Having an onboard second drive actually will reduce the need for the warranty because data is what EVERYONE wants to recover. They don't care about buying a new drive, the data, again, is what needs protecting.
I don't understand why the smart people at Intel don't get this. More options for system availability/uptime are immensely valuable.
Having a backup storage on the board is extremely valuable. You need to unlearn what you have learned, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTc9Y2bWiQ
New technology innovation mandates new thinking...
2. If I move an old module from an old computer to a new computer, I may need to format the drive for a new user/system. It may not be the same person who used it before.
3. When you say a secondary drive, can I specifically tell it to not be a part of the main storage? Example, when I add optane H10 512GB to a computer with 512GB, I get 1TB blended as drive X. Can I tell the Optane to not blend with the 512 main so I can see 2 512 drives(Drive X1 & Drive X2)? This will allow me manually to copy MY DATA for backup/preservation.
First of all, I am not Intel (well, I was, I worked for them for 21 years, but I have been retired for a couple of years now).
I still don't buy into your usage model - at least not completely - but mainly because of the cost issue (I am not talking the dispatching truck kind). First of all, you certainly don't need an Optane-accelerated SSD to perform this function; a basic (much cheaper!) M.2 (even SATA) SSD will suffice just fine (in my mind, the Optane caching buys you absolutely nothing - and, in my mind, creates the potential for more problems than it solves). Secondly, I would think that corruption of the main SSD is a significantly rare event and one where a trip into the field would be warranted. No, the main thing that you need in the field is a capability for remotely resetting (or power cycling) a unit. When I was deploying embedded systems into the field (long, long ago; well before my time with Intel), supporting this capability was incredibly expensive and often involved a dedicated phone line. Now, this can be done for an almost insignificant cost.
You are thinking about the H10 incorrectly. When we talk about the super high performance M.2 SSDs - like those from Samsung, for example - the price absolutely goes through the roof as the drives get larger. In a H10 module, they can use slower and cheaper flash memory and grow the size without the same cost-adder. But, because the drive also has the Optane memory to accelerate its performance, you do not pay as large a penalty for using this slower flash memory. Bottom line, think about the H10 modules as being standalone SSDs and being able to use one as a secondary SSD, not as something that affects the whole storage subsystem. The unfortunate part (unless they have somehow removed the limitation and I didn't hear about it) is that the chipset can only support the caching operations of one Optane module - which means that you cannot have two H10 modules in a system. I really hope they remove this limitation...
Let me finish my Optane training on the partner university before we talk again. I should complete that at this point before we talk more.
This document is very good about details...
Note: User and Installation Guide
Can you re-open this case or just answer this question?
I installed 64GB of RAM into my Zbook G6 but when I was reading the guide above "it says there must be 15 MB or greater at the end of the drive (Page 7 on the installation guide) of unallocated (max LBA) "
Why is this necessary?
I guess I'll need to reformat my drive to make this work properly? I don't have a problem with this but I need to understand the details.
My system has 1TB and 64 GB of RAM. I need to size this properly before I'll install, okay?
What this is saying is that there must be 15MB free at the end of the 1TB hard drive. This is used to store information about the Optane caching that is going on. The last partition on this driver should leave at least 15MB of unused space on the drive. If the partition(s) you have created on this drive do not leave this space, you will not be successful associating the Optane module with the hard drive.