NVIDIA Jetson TX2 Dev kit vs Intel?

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The Jetson TX2 seems to be a very powerful small form factor pc running Linux with

several camera inputs.

Is there anything on the Intel side that is comparable?

R-CNN , Tensor Flow, Yolo and high speed image analysis

seems to its strengths.

Will the RealSense D435 in concert with an Atom/ Apolo Lake Celeron be comparable?

My interests are image recognition combined with distance of the objects recognized in a

outdoor environment.

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I'm not sure if this info will be relevant to the wish expressed on this discussion to be able to turn the camera off quickly, but the new SDK 2.0 has a tool for adding an auto-disabling control to the RGB controls.

https://github.com/IntelRealSense/librealsense/blob/development/tools/enumerate-devices/rs-enumerate-devices.cpp librealsense/rs-enumerate-devices.cpp at development · IntelRealSense/librealsense · GitHub

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Bolous got back to me about 1 FPS in his YOLO sample.

"Theoretically YOLO can achieve 100+ FPS on a High End GPU, the tests in their website are done on a NVIDIA Titan X. YOLO on Euclid runs on an Atom CPU and 1-2 FPS is also impressive."

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1-2 FPS on Atom is really impressive. I feel running on a PC with decent GPU should give real time.

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I was asking how they were getting near realtime on a phone in the TED talk video.

There is NO titan anything in there.

Even with a reduced classifier set, say 50 or 100 items its good enough for many

applications if it can run on a low powered ARM at 10 to 15 fps.

[MartyG]

I just wanted to add to this discussion that an information page for Movidius Myriad X is available, and it lists the ability to "rapidly port and deploy neural networks in Caffe and Tensorflow formats".

https://www.movidius.com/myriadx Myriad™ X: Ultimate Performance at Ultra-Low Power | Machine Vision Technology | Movidius

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Thanks Marty.

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You're very welcome.

Also, for the D-cameras, a more detailed tech-spec sheet and link to the full data-sheet doc has now been released

https://software.intel.com/en-us/realsense/d400 Overview of the Intel® RealSense™ Depth Camera | Intel® Software

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Movidius Myriad X is available ?

There is no hardware spec sheet.

After making a few requests a person in sales contacted me

and I replied asking a few general questions 6 days ago.

Looking at the Myriad X chip as a possible solution but I am not sure

what is required to embed or use such a chip or if would even help.

In general I want to accelerate inference information for an RCNN or YOLO type

solution that we can leverage in our solution for greater reliability or enhanced capabilities.

And In short have not heard back.

The NCS from Movidius some thought was discontinued. Still not sure if it is because the answer is they

are going to fill orders soon. But they did not answer the question is it discontinued? Or is this a run to fulfill the

outstanding orders, The NCS has not been available since July. I ordered and waited over a month before giving up

https://click.intel.com/intelr-realsensetm-depth-camera-d435.html Intel® RealSense™ Depth Camera D435

The D435 this AM states out of stock. When did it go on sale?

In this new world Intel does not seem to be providing the normal leadership

and capabilities it has for decades. Is Intel underestimating the pipeline?

They are going to be run over with name brands such as NVidia and AMD etc.

Yes even AMD is getting into the game.

"Building a 50 Teraflops AMD Vega Deep Learning Box for Under $3K"

NVidia has Deep Learning Servers now they were braging about Tesla V100 and its 50 tops

performance. Low power etc.

In short you think with thousands of employees would toss a few more bodies into this before they miss

this opportunities like they did in the phone market.

As for me.. I think I have to start my folks learning Cuda. Maybe I will buy a D435.

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The spec sheet and data sheet document I mentioned above is for the D-cameras.

I don't believe Movidius Myriad X is available to buy yet. I just thought it was noteworthy to highlight its announced TensorFlow support, given how the folks taking part in this discussion thread had expressed it as a feature that they wished for.

Intel's two recommended retailers for the Movidius Neural Compute Stick were Mouser and RS Components. So as Myriad X is a similar class of product, I would think that these retailers may also stock the Myriad X when it is available.

The D415 and D435 have not been stocked in the Click online store yet. The release date remains a general "October". It looks as though the retirement sale for the R200 and SR300 cameras is continuing in order to run their stocks out. The terms of the recent sale was that it would end "September 30 or whilst stocks last".

I had thought this would mean that the sale would end on the 30th Sept even if they still had some stock left, but it looks as though "whilst stocks last" is being interpreted as the sale prices continuing into October until those camera models run out, or the planned launch date of the D-cameras is reached (the standalone R200 has run out, and is only available now in the Robotic Development Kit bundle).

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First Marty thanks so much for the feedback. If you sense frustration in my posts your right.

The company I work for is not GM or Ford and as such we do not pull little weight with PO's like

others do. Even when we want to buy things in this crazy AI revolution we find they are

either cost prohibitive or not fitting into our solution.

Movidius Neural Compute Stick has been out of stock since its start. Mouser emailed me

and said do you want your money back. After reading the stick did not support tensorflow

was not a windows stick nor was it ready for multiple inference like RCNN or YOLO I got our cash back,

not that it mattered it was never restocked since July.

Movidius X, you mentioned is not available.

D435 not there either.

Sigh..

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As an end-user myself, I totally understand the frustrations posted by other users. I get directly affected by product delays and cancellations too. In these situations, "sigh" is an appropriate expression indeed.

It looks as though the D-cameras will address a lot of the frustrations expressed about previous models. They will be great tools, once they are available to buy. It is like being a kid counting how many "sleeps" are left until Christmas morning arrives and they can unwrap an anticipated gift.

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Very difficult to understand Intel production pipe line. I ran yolo and tiny yolo on my notebook with GPU enabled. Tiny yolo gave me close to 8 fps. So I wanted to try to with NCS. NCS is Myriad V2 based. so getting stuff tested with NCS would be precursor to trying to Myriad X whenever that becomes available. However, mouser can't promise me anything. I am located in India and mouser initially said 2 weeks, then 18 weeks. Now they say 18 weeks is expected, but they can't commit. Same story with D4 cameras as well. If Intel does not have stock, and they won't have stock for several months, they should cite the reason for it. To small developers like me, it looks as if they are working without a plan. However truth may be that there is high demand for these products, and they ship off all available units to the big clients.

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Truly feels like that.

Sigh,,

I looked at the NCS again and you can't buy a stick the stick.

I am now looking at going NVidia which is NOT the way I want to go since they have such a

"NVidia" pipeline but what other choice is there?

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The D-cameras are now listed on the Click store, along with ship to countries, though are currently listed as out of stock. Unfortunately, Asia and India do not seem to be on the initial ship-to list.

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Hi ChicagoBob,

I ordered 2 sticks from Mouser on 15th and these were shipped to me on 23rd. Though I ordered from Mouser India, it has been shipped from Mouser UK. I feel that you should be able to get as well. There was some confusion w.r.t. lead time on their website - it showed item out of stock and factory lead time of 18 weeks. But when I called Mouser they said delivery will be much faster as Mouser has already placed order on Factory.

I also noticed latest announcement from Intel about NCS SDK now supporting TensorFlow.

I am likely to get the sticks this week and then will start trying out. Good that TensorFlow support has been added in time, else I would have had to spend some time exploring Caffe.

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Thanks so much I will give it a try.

Need to move forward.

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I was able to order one yesterday and its coming in the mail. Should be here on Monday.

FANTASTIC. Cant wait to try this and see what it gives.