Oblivion REMASTER Fps anomalies/Power issue.

[Puffalo]

Hello there, I did some testing and here is what i found.

There is hardware ray tracing (HW)
There is software ray tracing/Lumen (SW)
I have taken 5 screenshots, only changing settings.

Ultra, Ultra SW (Means ultra settings, Ultra raytracing, Software lumin setting)
This was the MOST EFFICIENT setting for getting "Full" use out of my OVERCLOCKED card.

It seems that instead of increasing framerates, the B580 would rather lower power consumption.

You can see my overlay at the top.
Under CPU, there is 2 percentages, the top one is total cpu usage, the bottom is single MAX core usage.
Plenty of headroom there.
Unfortunately i did not remember to reset my GPU to stock power limits before testing, so power figures are very inflated. (by 30w across the board) (TBP)

The highest power figure i seen was 185w of total board power, with a +400mhz clock boost and +60% voltage limit.

I estimate that with stock clocks, the card would have only consumed 150-155w, and i know this is true, because these are the exact power figures i have seen with monster hunter, the finals, call of duty warzone, and much (MUCH) more. (Literally every single game in my library)

Once you guys can squash the power delivery bug, it should fix a MAJOR amount of games.

You can replicate the picture by making your way out of the sewer, walking to the end of the dock, behind the last post, standing on the edge of the dock closest to the sewer door, then looking at the top hole in the sewer grate.

My settings.
Xess Ultra Quality+ (Do not change)
Ultra or medium
HW/SW raytracing, ULTRA or LOW.

Also when lowering XESS resolution, power usage goes down, framerates improve extremely slightly. (almost not even worth it since power usage gimps framerate gains).

 

Good luck guys. This power delivery issue has been in these cards since inception.
In fact, "JedG_Intel" is already taking a look at these same power delivery issues, but on monster hunter wilds. whoever reads this should cross reference with him to see if he made any progress on his discoveries so far.

Thank you very much.

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for reaching out to the Intel Community Forum. Based on your detailed findings and conducting thorough testing, it appears that the most efficient settings for maximizing the performance of your overclocked card involve using Ultra settings with Ultra ray tracing and Software Lumen. This configuration seems to optimize power consumption rather than increasing frame rates, particularly with the B580

To assist us in investigating, please provide the following details:

1. Have you used DDU to completely remove all residual drivers and installed a new one?
2. Have you tried adjusting the graphics settings?
3. Could you provide a screenshot of your in-game display and graphics settings?
4. Which gaming platform did you use to download the game?

If you have any questions, please let us know. Thank you.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

1. I have used DDU to install this driver

2. In the previous post, i added pictures with different graphics settings. But i will upload a video to youtube going through each one.
3. I have attached a video, using the latest driver, Please pay attention to power figures and FPS. https://youtu.be/fTq--LK_0CA
4. Steam

*Note: if the video isn't uploaded in HD, wait an hour or so and check again.

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for the update. I would like to request for a CapFrameX log for further analysis. Please make sure to play the game for at least 2 minutes and please try changing the settings to properly evaluate its performance. For guidance, please visit Need help? Reporting a bug or issue with Arc GPU? - PLEASE READ THIS FIRST! If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. Thank you.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

I got some stats on ultra and high settings. took a break, came back, the game updated and broke the settings menu...

Anyways here you are. i tried to take the same path on each of these recordings, note total board power is atrocious. 
If it was a car, this would be the equivalent of it not having enough power to go up a hill because the engine is having performance issues.

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for sharing the information I requested. I will look into this further and will update you as soon as a solution is found. I appreciate your patience and understanding.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

I've analyzed the CapFrameX results and noticed a significant FPS drop. Could you confirm if you're referring to The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered on Steam? This will allow us to download and replicate the issue for further investigation.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

Hello, Earlier i said i was playing on steam, I was wrong. I forgot i was playing The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered on XBOX GAMEPASS.

Note that with significant frame drop, there is also an even more significant lack of power usage.
The lower the graphics settings, the lower the power utilization.

Thank you.

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for confirming the platform where you downloaded the game and providing more details. I will proceed with a thorough investigation and will update you as soon as I have identified a solution. Thank you. 

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

Using this update.
Power usage gone up significantly, framerate is less.

I have a comparison down below.

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for the update. I wanted to share some insights regarding the performance of your GPU. The GPU is designed to achieve maximum frequency and utilization at various power draw levels, which may not always align with the rated 190W, depending on driver optimization.

To better understand the performance, we conducted tests using the hardware available to us. We assessed performance while playing Oblivion Remastered with the Intel Arc B580 GPU (default settings) and a Core i5-14400 on driver version 32.0.101.6790. We compared this setup by swapping the GPU with an RTX 4060. The settings used were: 1440p, Ultra presets, RT On, Lumen mode High, XeSS ultra quality. After three runs for each GPU in the same location, the Intel Arc B580 GPU averaged 32 FPS, while the RTX 4060 averaged 33 FPS, indicating that the Intel Arc B580 GPU is competitive.

For a detailed demonstration of our test method, please watch the video here: https://youtu.be/nbuVXOxRY8Q. Additionally, I have attached the CapFrameX data from the tests for your review.

Based on our findings, since you are using a 9th-generation processor, it might be causing a bottleneck or overhead issue. Could you test the GPU on a system with a 10th-generation or newer CPU to see if this improves performance?

If you have any questions, please let me know. Thank you.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

https://youtu.be/y09kBulP_PQ

During recording my fps lowered by 1-3fps on average.

When using the same settings as yours, and a slightly lower clock speed (2850Mhz stock) i was able to get around the same framerate.

My issue is that this.
I own both a B580 and RTX 4060 (and other cards below)

When playing games on my RTX 4060, it ALWAYS uses 110w of current (TDP is 115w) at MAX LOAD (more when overclocked)
When playing games on the B580, it USUALLY uses less then 150w Total board power. (TDP is 190w) (EVEN WHEN OVERCLOCKED)

In Claire obscure EXPEDITION 33, the B580 hits the TDP and can even surpass it when overclocked, which is a first for this card.

So out of every game in my library, only 1 game uses the full power of the B580 and reaches TDP

MEANWHILE my RTX 4060 paired with an I7-9700 ALWAYS uses FULL TDP

As a side note: when increasing current limit on the B580 it does nothing, in fact i can lower the current limit to 90% and wont see any negative performance drops, because the card does not reach TDP.

I have had 6 GPU's in my computer on the I9-9900KF
R9 280x
GTX 960
GTX 980TI
GTX 1080
RTX 4060
Intel B580

The only card that does not reach TDP at max load is the B580, the only card that does not benefit from unlocking the current is the B580. THIS CARD IS STARVING FOR POWER and you can see that by increasing the voltage, as only increasing voltage increases clock speeds as well.

My conclusion is that if the card is rated for a TDP of 190w, and does not reach it in 95% of games, then that means if you can find out the issue that is limiting the potential of this card, then you can improve performance in 95% of games that suffer from low power utilization on this card.

Is there a way i can use a test driver that lets the B580 suck down more current (up to 230w as allowed in the Intel overclocking software)

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for your update. I will further look into this and replicate the issue. I will be posting again once I got a solution. Thank you for your patience.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Our tests, along with your results, confirm that the performance for this title is consistent with expectations and comparable to competitive products. The GPU is operating at full capacity, achieving the frequency specified in its specifications, which ensures that power consumption remains within the expected efficiency range. It's important to note that the GPU doesn't need to utilize maximum power to deliver optimal performance, as it adjusts its frequency based on the workload being processed.

Additionally, if you're interested in enhancing performance further, you have the option to overclock the GPU through the Tuning menu in IGS. This adjustment will increase the GPU's operating frequency, which will also lead to higher power consumption.

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

Thank you for looking into the issue.
i was under the impression that if the gpu is not using full TDP that there is performance being left on the table, regardless of if it is already competitive compared to other products.

Overclocking does improve performance, but adjusting the power limit does literally nothing as the power does not ask for more even if i put the slider up to 120%
Ive said before that i can limit the GPU to 90% power limit and it does nothing to change performance numbers.

Im sure eventually this will change as the most recent update increased power usage by about 10w across all games.

Thanks for looking into it.

[ArchieD_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for your understanding and for sharing your insights regarding the GPU performance and power limit adjustments. I understand your concerns about maximizing performance and the impact of recent updates.

Since the thread is now solved, we will proceed to close it. Please keep in mind that this thread will no longer be monitored by Intel. Thank you for your understanding.  

Best regards,

Archie D.

Intel Customer Support Technician