Download site for DEC VF 5.0d update?

[fossilftn]

I have a very old copy of DEC Visual Fortran Pro 5.0A, which I had running on a DEC Alpha machine at the time. Unless and until a business idea of mine takes off, I have to make do with that I have, including an old Absoft Pro 5.0 compiler of the same age and OpenWatcom. I can't find where I ever downloaded the DVF 5.0D update for a Pentium processor. Previous posts in this forum refer to a Compaq download site for the 5.0D update which no longer exists. Does Intel still have a copy someplace that I could download? I'd like another alternative and would appreciate the URL. Thanks in advance.

[Steven_L_Intel1]

Sorry, we couldn't legally offer this to you if we did have it.

[fossilftn]

That's odd, if not quite believable.

You were with the DEC group responsible for Visual Fortran, and then moved to Compaq when Compaq bought it. Your own archived thread responses in this forum enthusiastically and repeatedly refer other people to 5.0d as well as vanished Compaq site. I don't doubt that you even have a personal copy of your old work, or know someone who does. Somehow I doubt that HP/Compaq would have you prosecuted for providing an update that appeared in September 1998 for a now obsolete compiler.

I wouldn't be asking except that I'm living on Social Security Disability Insurance and find all but the Open compilers difficult to afford. But I haven't forgotten you. Your refusal to deal with a traceback bug in 1997 then directly impeded my work and final report for a Phase I Small Business Innovation Research grant, and was at least partially responsible for not getting Phase II support. By that time I had already been through two major surgeries involving trauma from a drinking driver and suspected cancer. I was desperate to find a way to employ myself, as most employers would not consider hiring someone with even a minor medical condition that either they or their employees found unpleasant or in interference with their lifestyles. It's amazing what a severe pleasure that can be, considering the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars of salary to simple bigotry.

According to Census 2000, Americans with disabilities of all levels number about 19% of the working age population. Yet we have the lowest employment rate of any minority, including Blacks. Even in Federal Agencies, which boast of their commitment to "diversity" and being "model employers" for us, employees with EEOC Targeted Disabilities number in single digits in percentage, especially in their Offices of Civil Rights. I can assure you that no one with three engineering degrees and a Ph.D. can forget those and their kind who didn't want him or her to be gainfully employed.

Thank you so much for your continued support of such hollowed tradition. I'm sure it does Intel proud.

[anthonyrichards]

What exactly is the problem, Steve? I have an old copy of DVF 5.0 which I no longer have need for, and a copy of the D update. Am I not permitted to pass it on to someone with more need of it than I for a nominal fee?

[ender01]

Quoting - fossilftn

That's odd, if not quite believable.

You were with the DEC group responsible for Visual Fortran, and then moved to Compaq when Compaq bought it. Your own archived thread responses in this forum enthusiastically and repeatedly refer other people to 5.0d as well as vanished Compaq site. I don't doubt that you even have a personal copy of your old work, or know someone who does. Somehow I doubt that HP/Compaq would have you prosecuted for providing an update that appeared in September 1998 for a now obsolete compiler.

I wouldn't be asking except that I'm living on Social Security Disability Insurance and find all but the Open compilers difficult to afford. But I haven't forgotten you. Your refusal to deal with a traceback bug in 1997 then directly impeded my work and final report for a Phase I Small Business Innovation Research grant, and was at least partially responsible for not getting Phase II support. By that time I had already been through two major surgeries involving trauma from a drinking driver and suspected cancer. I was desperate to find a way to employ myself, as most employers would not consider hiring someone with even a minor medical condition that either they or their employees found unpleasant or in interference with their lifestyles. It's amazing what a severe pleasure that can be, considering the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars of salary to simple bigotry.

According to Census 2000, Americans with disabilities of all levels number about 19% of the working age population. Yet we have the lowest employment rate of any minority, including Blacks. Even in Federal Agencies, which boast of their commitment to "diversity" and being "model employers" for us, employees with EEOC Targeted Disabilities number in single digits in percentage, especially in their Offices of Civil Rights. I can assure you that no one with three engineering degrees and a Ph.D. can forget those and their kind who didn't want him or her to be gainfully employed.

Thank you so much for your continued support of such hollowed tradition. I'm sure it does Intel proud.

Actually, it's quite believable, Intel may not have been able to (or wanted to) aquire older versions of the DVF or be willing to support them for a host of reasons such as indemnification. And I'm sure that would extend to Steve's actions as an employee of and on a forum sponsored by Intel. As for Steve's purported refusal to deal with a traceback bug back in 1997, be that as it may, it had nothing to do with your failure to obtain a Ph. II SBIR. If the only problem in your technology and program execuition was this compiler bug, your inability to identify program risk and to properly address it is to blame. If I had $500K - $750K riding on the outcome and the compiler wasn't working, you can bet that I'd have shelled out a couple of hundred dollars of the $75K-$100K Ph. I funding for another compiler rather than hope that my current vendor could get it addressed in time. I too remember Steve back in the DVF days and can honestly say that his support on comp.lang.fortran is one of the principal reasons I'm now using Intel's. That being said, my advice to you is to take up anthonyrichards or someone else who isn't legally entangled.

[Steven_L_Intel1]

Quoting - fossilftn

That's odd, if not quite believable.

You were with the DEC group responsible for Visual Fortran, and then moved to Compaq when Compaq bought it. Your own archived thread responses in this forum enthusiastically and repeatedly refer other people to 5.0d as well as vanished Compaq site. I don't doubt that you even have a personal copy of your old work, or know someone who does. Somehow I doubt that HP/Compaq would have you prosecuted for providing an update that appeared in September 1998 for a now obsolete compiler.

Whether or not I'd get prosecuted by HP is entirely beside the point. I certainly can lay my hands on a copy of that update. I cannot legally distribute it to you. Intel did not acquire legal rights to the DVF/CVF product as sold - that remained with Compaq and then HP. As an employee of Intel I am required to follow all applicable laws including copyright laws. The copyright on that update belongs to HP and not Intel.

I'm happy to provide advice regarding DVF and CVF when I can do so off the top of my head. What I cannot do, without violating the terms of my employment, is distribute copies of the DVF/CVF software or serial numbers (which I also know how to generate.)

The only suggestion I can offer is for you to try to find someone at HP who is willing to ask me for a copy of the update so that he or she can therefore provide it to you. I don't know whom you would ask (the names I did know of are people no longer with HP.)

I will close by pointing out that I never said I didn't have a copy of the update.

[anthonyrichards]

fossilftn: Please contact me by e-mail regarding this.