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Hi Dr. Fortran,

I will re-post the IDZ stickies today. Sorry I couldn't get to it yesterday but it's on my list.

I appreciate everyone else's input here, we are taking a look at your feedback.

I need to investigate the Avatars so hang tight, it's all new to me too. Thanks!

Mary T.

Support Community Manager

intel.community@intel.com

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Re: New Website display not satisfactory for desktop users. (IOW not on cell phone)

This same thing happened (often) in the company I worked for (now consult for). The front-end of a project would get handed over to the UX team and they would screw it up. Users would howl, developers would rage, and management would wonder innocently "what happened?". The result was uniformly unsatisfactory and always required serious re-working and delays. They never acquired the habit of checking with us developers or the users. The UX team was a dangerously self-certain lot and this happened so often that they were finally turfed. 

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Dear Mary:

I think you should relax, it is ok, these people have fairly strong opinions. I am sure you will solve the problems over the long run and I for one are happy with all your efforts. 

Teh attached file is the ODE analysis for the Corona Virus, the model is steady even though the cases are rising. Weird. 

John Nichols

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Well In have found a couple of improvements in the new forum! The spell checker now lets you select a suggested spelling rather than just saying 'wrong'! But there is still some way to go to get this bedded in and working in a satisfactory manner.

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Some more comments and questions:

When signed in and adding a response, I see the icon of a stubby pencil with the text Add Tags to its right. What is a tag, what are the available tags, and can we find the answers to these questions by pressing the "? Help" button at the top right, please?

In the previous version of this forum, the initial post and the responses were numbered #1, #2, etc., and these labels could then be used in the texts of subsequent responses to help the reader. There was only one place to add a new response, and that was at the bottom of the page, to which one scrolled and started typing.

In the new forum, there are no such numerical labels. Each response in a thread has its own "Reply" button, but all such buttons are completely equivalent. A user who selects a specific "Reply" button, expecting her/his new message to be associated with the specific response containing that button, would be disappointed.

As I am typing this, attempting to respond to Mary's post of ‎06-26-2020 04:13 PM, I see the later response of JohnNichols below the text entry box, but I don't think that this post will appear before his. (To be tried and confirmed) Confirmed.

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Why do the forum posts only take about 1/3 of the width of the computer screen, and about 60% in Printer Friendly mode?

So much wasted resources!  Having lots of grey space down both sides of the screen doesn't make it easier to read!

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To reinforce what David wrote, here is how I see his post using the Opera browser on Windows 10, on a 1980 X 1024 monitor.

Intel Forums Waste SpaceIntel Forums Waste Space

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It displays quite well if you detach the browser tab and make a tall thin window e.g 500 x 1100 but it seems crazy that you have to do that and then scroll up and down more as a result.

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I agree that reply numbers would be helpful. You can, however, link to earlier replies by clicking on the ... button and selecting Permalink. Right click on that to copy the URL

I have yet to get the "View discussion in a popup" to do anything useful. On the other hand, I see that this forum saves partial replies and suggests them as drafts if you reply again.

Steve (aka "Doctor Fortran") - https://stevelionel.com/drfortran
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   print *, "Hello World!"
end

 

Hello Mary,

Please see this simple code snippet.  I do not see line numbers.  Is there an option to see the line numbers?  Also, the recognized Fortran language tokens such as 'print', 'end', etc. are not getting highlighted.

You would have taken note with the previous design of this peer-to-peer forum for Intel Software Tools including Fortran did provide highlighting (with bold fonts, colors, etc.) and also line numbers which were helpful with technical discussions related to Intel Fortran.

Thanks, 

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As Fortran users, to quote a New Australian of a bygone era, are a Weird Mob! We are different to those who use so many of the newer scripting and programming languages. Like the post a few days ago where someone asked for += to be implemented in Fortran.

Well, in terms of the so-called improved forum, it looks like "they" got us!

We want to be able to have a forum that works for us a Fortran programmers, not something that just looks nice, or give us whiz bang features.

The developers of the forum should listen to us more. After all we are seasoned, accomplished programmers who know what we need, not what we're told is good for us.
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The old forum was a bit clunky and over time various features have been dropped (such as private messages) because of security/spam issues. On the new forum PM works again, attachments seem easier, the spell checker works, and some other things .....  The new layout is poor on wide screens, we don't have syntax highlighting/line numbers for code ( see, below, a plugin that will come soon I hope), avatars are broken, ....

 

Program Test
   implicit none
   integer :: ii
   ii = 1
   write(*,*) ii
end program test

 

 With a few tweaks I think this could be an improved platform compared to the old forum. And yes I hate change just for the reason it looks different and a bit of work is needed to come to terms with the changes....

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Oh and you can now set your time zone and date display preference, I always had to double think the crazy month-day-year dates.....

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>>that's because the forum feature showing "all activity" tops out at 100 pages

I see this as a major problem with the newer format. It is as if the website designers assume the "community" are here for a chat of current topics. Whereas (IMHO) the community members are (were) using the forum as a support resource. IOW you have an issue, you search the forum, and hopefully get some useful responses. I regrettably suspect that the new forum construction has lost significant capacity for community support.

401... I too have a gripe about that. I prefer to log in, read/post, minimize, and stay logged in until I reboot. Note, my preference is to NOT have my device remember my log in creds as this would compromise site security as to who is actually posting.

Jim Dempsey

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"Note, my preference is to NOT have my device remember my log in creds as this would compromise site security as to who is actually posting."

No problem there - the old forum didn't provide that and neither does the new one. For myself, I do like such a feature as the risk of someone being able to post on my behalf is so low as to be unmeasurable. It's annoying to me how many extra clicks are needed to re-log in each time.

Steve (aka "Doctor Fortran") - https://stevelionel.com/drfortran
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I have some additional concerns regarding the new forum website:

1. I have been a forum member since 2003. I have had separate accounts for maintaining my Intel licenses that I renew every year for logistics and privacy reasons since the licenses are tied to companies whereas the forum is for personal education.
2. With the new forum, all my accounts (3 in total) have been consolidated into one master account. Is this the case with anyone else?
3. One of my accounts is for Intel drivers that was tied to the various PCs that I manage. Once combined, the sidebar and main topics section default to combined forum posts for various forums including Intel drivers. This is inconvenient since I rarely use that forum.
4. I was earlier a Brown Belt, but that designation has been replaced by New Contributor I. The name is not that critical but are older posts being phased out in the new system? If so, I would want to archive the responses.
5. The recommendations I receive on the RHS are irrelevant to the topic and in fact not even for Fortran. This is a result of the accounts having been consolidated. For example, I just posted on "is it possible to create += to mimic C" and the attached picture shows the recommendations.

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@avinashs ,

The "belt" system has been phased out. Black Belts keep their status, but I think all the other color belts are gone, replaced with the new levels. They don't mean much anyway.

I would be astonished if your accounts were somehow merged - I don't see how they can do that. What I did find, and this probably doesn't affect you, is that the "display name" rules changed so that a lot of us who had spaces and other characters in their names got them rewritten and collapsed. One can select a new display name that follows the new rules, like I did.

As best as I can tell, all the posts are still here. It just may be more difficult to find them given the poor search feature.

Steve (aka "Doctor Fortran") - https://stevelionel.com/drfortran
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Avinash,

About your point 5:

No, the irrelevance of the "recommended" list is not a result of multiple user-id-s being consolidated. At present, nobody is exempt from this mal-feature. See the earlier posts in this thread, where this deficiency was noted and discussed.

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Thanks for all the useful responses. Some consolidated comments for the responses:

1. I am able to access my earlier posts when I click on my hyperlinked username avinashs.

2. Intel has confirmed that my accounts were consolidated. Now that it has been done, I am working with the new system. My username for the forum has remained the same and so have the posts (which was my concern with the new account username and status).

3. Intel software manager had stopped updating sometime last October for me. With the consolidated accounts, I could access the 2020 Update 1 directly. Now installed compiler reports "Compiling with Intel(R) Visual Fortran Compiler 19.1.1.216 [IA-32]". Thanks to the forum, I realized that I did not have the latest update (also mentioned in different post), which has now been successfully obtained.

 

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Darn this site is hard to use now.