Re: Timing and functional simulation results for a ff with asynch set don't match.

Altera_Forum · ‎11-27-2014

Hi

I'm using Quartus 2 13.1 web edition and modelsim altera starter edition 10.1d. I have a terasic D0 board which i run my codes after simulations. My code is like that


library ieee;
use ieee.std_logic_1164.all;
entity DD is 
port (clk,X :in std_logic; 
        asyncset : in std_logic; -- D'den gelen out1 sinyali 
        Y:out std_logic);
        end entity DD;
architecture behav of DD is
begin
process(clk,asyncset) begin     
    if asyncset = '1' then
        Y<='1';
        elsif rising_edge (clk) then 
        Y<= not X;
end if;
end process;
end architecture behav;

After functional simulation every thing seems ok but when i execute timing simulation it works completely opposite.

Timing Sim

http://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9817&stc=1

Functional Sim

http://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9818&stc=1

What tools should i use to fix this situation? And any advice for this problem ? Thanks.

Altera_Forum · ‎11-27-2014

This looks like it's working fine to me. The timing simulation will have the propogation delays from the real hardware.

Also - where is the testbench code? I get the feeling for the functional simulation you havent quite set it up right.

Altera_Forum · ‎11-27-2014

What should i do to those propogation delays form the real hardware ? They are completely changing behavior of my code. I will use this code as a part of another circuit , and at the begining with the asyncset input set as 0 , my code should produce negatives of X port that is connected to a pushbutton.

Pushbutton provides a high logic level when depressed.

http://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9820&stc=1

But as you see form the timing sim and as i saw form also the terasic D0 board it doesn't work properly.

As for timing sim. setups ; clk freq. is 50Mhz (20ns) because terasic D0 has a clock signal of 50 Mhz. And i designate other frequencies respect to the main clock. Perid of X is 80ns and asyncset is 320 ns.

Is it a necessity to write a test bench at least for this simple code?

Altera_Forum · ‎11-27-2014

What should i do to those propogation delays form the real hardware ? They are completely changing behavior of my code. I will use this code as a part of another circuit , and at the begining with the asyncset input set as 0 , my code should produce negatives of X port that is connected to a pushbutton.

Pushbutton provides a high logic level when depressed.

https://www.alteraforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9821

But as you see form the timing sim and as i saw form also the terasic D0 board it doesn't work properly.

As for timing sim. setups ; clk freq. is 50Mhz (20ns) because terasic D0 has a clock signal of 50 Mhz. And i designate other frequencies respect to the main clock in order to see all possible inputs and outputs. Period of X is 80 ns and asyncset is 320ns

Is it a necessity to write a test bench at least for this simple code?

Altera_Forum · ‎11-27-2014

THose push buttons should be synchronised to the 50 MHz domain. Then there is no problem

Altera_Forum · ‎11-27-2014

OK! i see your point , it is already impossible to activate a pushbutton with a period of 80 ns. Even i extend it to 1 us , everything is fixed. thanks.