Intel Core-2 Quad (Q9650) vs i3, i5, i7

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I am not able to determine which processor or family is older or newer.

Is the Intel Core-2 Quad later than the i series or is the i series newer than the Core2 Quad?

I tried to get a comparison but was not savvy enough to figure it out.

Can someone give me a brief primer on the differences as well as which one, Core 2 or i series is faster and most likey to be more suited for some stepped (mix of multi tasking office work and some simular use) up home use.

Leaning toward the Intel Core 2 quad Q9650 3GHz Socket 775 Processor BX80569Q965, don't necessarily want to fall to far back if it is not a member of the newest family (and I admit I don't really know what is the newest).

Going in a DP43BF MoBo because of versatility.

Thanks

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LOL, this is easy...

Here's my answers:

1. False - Technically there's nothing wrong with the CPU. The problem is, you can't use the CPU 'cuz there's no compatible motherboard for it. If you can't use a CPU what good is it to you? That's what's wrong with the CPU & of someone who decides to get it now.

2. False - The SATA 3 Gbps ports will fail over time (not it could fail) if you keep using it. A single transistor in the Cougar Point chipset can't tolerate a high current flow. It's an incurable design issue. Over the course of 2 to 3 years, the SATA 3 Gbps ports will eventually fail with continued used.

3. False - It's hard to make it work to the fullest if one of it's parts is not working. On some motherboards with only (2) SATA 6 Gbps ports, you'll be limited into using non-SATA drives. You can't run multiple RAID set ups as you don't have enough SATA 6 Gbps ports to accomodate it.

4. True - You won't be seeing issues with it now or in the future as all the Sandy Bridge motherboards been recalled. Those who purchased it prior to the recall now know of the problem & how to avoid it. The problem with Cougar Point chipset was first detected not by Intel but by independent PC experts who tested the Sandy Bridge components & found the issue. Intel then run their own testing & verified the issue.

5. True - But the maximum potential is not there as you're limited to using just (2) SATA 6 Gbps ports on most motherboards.You have a functioning PC but in terms of getting the best out of it, you won't.

6. True - Don't make Intel as the one doing the favor of providing the replacement. Intel (like any other business) is bound by law to disclose any faulty products made that were out in circulation. They're also bound by law to replace any faulty products made (if the consumer ask for it) that were out in circulation.

7. True - The motherboards were recalled all over the world. This is the biggest problem as you can't use a CPU if you don't have a motherboard for it. This makes the CPU non-usable.

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True, it is easy when you ignore reality.

I am pleased you posted your answers, and now other readers can read our posts, and decide for themselves.

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True-you attack when someone has pointed out the logical and only reality because you have nothing but personal attacks left to defend your point of view.

For the record, everything cheap said is 100% accurate. I wasn't aware that it was an independant that found the fault first, but if he says so, I do believe him and if this is the case, then Intel had no choice but to come forward or they would have been found out.

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LOL, I'm speaking of reality as I got a Sandy Bridge CPU that until now I can't use hence there's no motherboard available for it. The problem is real. The CPU is non-usable.

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Just to clarify something re: how the fault in the Cougar Point chipset was discovered. I actually read in the net just after that Sandy Bridge fiasco came out as to how the problem was first discovered. Actually those independent PC experts I've mentioned were not the ones who discovered the real problem. They were the ones who brought to Intel's attention circuit level issues they've encountered during testing. Intel then conducted their own testing & confirmed the existence of a problem with the chipset's transistor which results in higher than expected leakage current.

That is why I said before that Intel failed to do a complete testing & the one to blame of the problem.

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Parsec - "Can you show me where it is written that when the socket 2011 CPUs are released?"

Intel's Sandy Bridge roadmap for LGA 1155 stops at Core i7 2600K (at the top/performance level). After that a different socket for Sandy Bridge core processor will come out, the LGA 2011 for 4, 6 & 8 cores next generation Sandy Bridge core processor. No exact date yet given by Intel but it's slated to get release by the 4th quarter of the year 2011 (this year). The next generation core processor will support up to quad channel DDR3. We'll be seeing as much as 8 memory slots on most motherboards with up to 64 Gb of RAM (or higher).

I got a good chart that I found at Anandtech last year with regards to the Sandy Bridge roadmap but can't find it anymore in my flash drive. Anyway, Wikipedia has some info & charts pertaining to Sandy Bridge & further development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2011

One thing to remember, AMD will also release it's long awaited Bulldozer core processor. Initial testing looks promising as it's also extremely fast. No exact date of its release yet but it's rumored to get release this year (2nd to 3rd quarter problably).

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1. The Sandy Bridge CPUs have nothing wrong with them, they are fine. I say True.

2. The Cougar Point chipset that supports the Sandy Bridge CPUs has a potential problem with it's SATA 3Gb/s interface, it could fail. I say True.

3. Besides the issue stated in (2), all the other capabilities of the Cougar Point chipsets, including the SATA 6Gb/s interface, it's integrated graphics, it's USB interface, etc, are working fine. I say True.

4. At this time, we are not seeing a flood of reports of failures of the Cougar Point SATA 3Gb/s interface. I say True.

5. Owners of mother boards with the potentially faulty Cougar Point chipsets may use the SATA 6Gb/s interface (albeit with only two drives) and have a functioning PC without any issues with a potential failure. I say True.

6. Intel and mother board manufactures are currently working to manufacture mother boards with a fixed Cougar Point chipset (the problem has been identified and the fix is known and is being implemented) so replacement mother boards can be provided free of charge to owners of mother boards with the faulty chipset. I say True.

7. If someone owns a Sandy Bridge CPU, but did not purchase a mother board for it and cannot find one at retailers now, as they have been removed from the market place (although they seem to be available in the UK according to an article I posted a link to in another thread), they will not be able to use their CPU until the replacement mother boards are available in a few months. I say True.

Completly and absolutely right.

Redneck and cheap seem to just be trolling and looking for a scrap and dont really bring anything usefull to the table in any of their threads. I dont see how you can you can say parsec is attacking other posts, when it was you two who brought the cougar point issue into the thread when the op wasn't let alone concerned but even aware and not even considering those CPUs or motherboards. he was talking core vs 1st gen i3/5/7.

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HAHAHAHA, nice try parsec, but re-posting your own views as a guest instead of under your name isn't going to fly either!!

BTW, you may want to go back and read, the OP was talking about buying a core2 quadcore, it was I who suggested that he buy a first gen i3/i5/i7 and advised that he not go with the 2000 series because of the cougar point issue. He then asked what the issue was and I told him, without interjecting my personal beliefs into it, then you.....errr I mean parsec decided to interject his two cents into the situation, which brought along cheap as well.

If you have something to say, go into the other thread and answer my questions there. I know you won't, because there are no answers for them because they are the truth and you/parsec or whoever you are would rather pull a stunt like not signing in and posting as a guest to appear that you have some support for your hair-brained, convoluted, obviously intel-biased way of thinking. It's really quite sad.

I'm out in the open on this one, in fact my real name shows up on here. I'm not trying to hide anything, but rather am very open about what I think is really going on behind the scenes and there is not one person as of yet who can appose what I've put forth, nor can they answer any of the questions I have posed because there are no favorable intel answers to give. Keep in mind that I have been a life-long intel user/fanboy, but after this latest fiasco, they have lost a dedicated customer!!

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Quoted from the first post form the op :

"Is the Intel Core-2 Quad later than the i series or is the i series newer than the Core2 Quad?"

THEREFORE:

"BTW, you may want to go back and read, the OP was talking about buying a core2 quadcore, it was I who suggested that he buy a first gen i3/i5/i7"

FAIL!AGAIN!

ps am not parsec

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What?? I don't see you posting anywhere in the first page. I was the first one to suggest that he go with the first gen i series.

Nice try. Enough of your childish games, it is quite obvious what you are doing. Quit hiding behind your guest moniker and sign in.

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REALLY??? you cant read???either that or you dont know how to express yourself properly.

"BTW, you may want to go back and read, the OP was talking about buying a core2 quadcore, it was I who suggested that he buy a first gen i3/i5/i7"

This implies that the op was ONLY considering buying a core 2 quadcore and that it was you that brought to his attention that the i series in fact exist. which lets face it you did not because the op was specifically asking about the core 2s and the i series!

Please enlighten us as to what it is that is so obvious that i am doing, pray do!

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I'm not even going to dignify a response to your obvious attack. Sign in if you've nothing to hide.

I still have yet to determine what exactly it is that you are objecting to, other than trying to antagonize me, which is quite obvious. It is also quite obvious who you are and what you are trying to do. Even if, at this point, you create another account and sign in with that one, we all know who you are and what you are trying to accomplish.

Epic Fail. Crawl back in your hole that you dug yourself.

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Hay Cowboy Bob here , you know I believe that Intel needs to change the Rules of this Forum ,And Make everyone Who Post anything on the Forum Identify them selves Before they get the privilege of participating in this forum. You Know it's a privilege and Not a Right , if a person becomes abusive Intel can and will Pull their Account , AS far as this Guest , there should be NO GUEST. If you don't have the guts to put your info out there than you don't belong here . If you Hover over my Icon it will show my Home phone and My Email , I Hide from None. and thats the way it should be.

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I agree with everything that you have said. I don't go so far as to make available my home address or phone number, but if the need arose, I would not hide that either. I don't hide behind my moniker as my name also clearly shows on all my posts and if someone was determined enough, they could find out what they wanted about me just by that alone.

Hiding on here taking pot shots at people under the "guest" moniker shows nothing more than you sir, are a coward, who lacks the courage of his own convictions to actually log in and show his identity. I believe we all know who this person is and why he is behaving in the manner he is and I don't think any further discussion is warranted on the issue.

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Well I did not provide my home address , But my email and Ph# are there if someone wants to talk to me outside of the forum , Well I'm Here .You Know sometimes I do get young people write me at home asking about how to solve a problem , and I always try to Help when I can, That's why Us Old dogs are here for.

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The Old Docster wants to thank each of you for providing and participating in an informative and lively discussion. I have learned much.....some more than I will be able to be able to immediately apply.

The waters are a little clearier and I think I have a better grasp on what is going on with all the processors etc. As I said in one of my earlier post I am not a power user but a busy user who also enjoys flying RC flight simulators. I tend to make my componant dicsions the way corporations do......go on board at the beginning of the next cycle hoping that all the back things have been resolved. I am leaning to staying with my initiial plan as it more than does everything I need it to do. Reliability is almost as important as speed and with a 3.0gig processor I will have more than enough speed for the next 3 years or so. This forum gave clearity and confirmation to my original selections..........and a level of confidence that will serve me well as I step into it. Again, my deepest appreaction to all you guys...even the mystery man "The Guest".

You guys have a good spring and rest of the year.

I will stop back when its finish and let you know how much I like it or maybe how much more attention I should have paid to your teachings.

The Docster Man

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Docster, Thanks for your nice statements, I appreciate them. I do wish to express my regrets and apologize to you for tainting your question and thread with the bickering that occurred after my post regarding the Cougar Point situation. I am glad that you received pertinent information from the other posts, as mine were not of significant help to you.

Forgive me further, as I digress into the branch of this thread that I helped create. For the record I state absolutely that I did not post the comments written by Guest, as were ascribed to me. I invite and encourage the moderators of this forum to verify, if possible, that I did not write and post those comments. I also state for the record that I did not conspire to have another person post comments supporting me anonymously, although that would be virtually impossible to verify.

Not that I necessarily disagree with Guest's comments which, among other content, supported me, which of course I see as a good thing. While I know that it would be cowardly for myself or anyone else to post anonymous comments supporting one's that they previously made, including retorts to those that disagree with them, I don't know what Guest's motivation is, and since this statement is about myself, I'll refrain from commenting upon him.

Frankly, today is the first time I visited this thread, after my last post (third in total I believe) and was surprised to see what had transpired and found myself compelled to respond as I have.

One final comment to you Docster, as you seem to be finished with this thread. While I generally agree it is likely better to go with the "tock" products of the Tick-Tock development cycle that Intel has been using, we can see that even the Tock, second generation products are not guaranteed to be without issues.

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And this being the most truthful statment from you that I've seen thus far in all of our discussions:

"although that would be virtually impossible to verify"

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This is true...........nothing in life is guranteed and the performance of man made devices are no exception. All you can do is examine, consult, review, evaluate and then make the most comfortable decision, for you, that you can make and hope for the best.

I am currently using a D850MVSE that was supposed to be plagued with leaking capacitors and mine is performing 10 years later almost as well as it was when I first brought it on line. In fact when I rebuild I am going to sfuff it in another box and use it for some things I will lose the capacity for as I go forward. So its really all about a certain amount of luck and faith with moderated with good consultation which you guys provided. Again thanks to all.

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... yawn...

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And now boys and girls, more proof regarding the "unuseable" processor...

http://www.fudzilla.com/motherboard/item/21788-system-integrators-to-resume-sandy-bridge-sales http://www.fudzilla.com/motherboard/item/21788-system-integrators-to-resume-sandy-bridge-sales