Programmable Resolutions in X3000 (G965)?

[rofish]

I heard that the resolutions in the new X3000 are programmable, but how programmable? Nvidia cards allow pixel-independant resolutions on DVI (but not VGA) on 6 and 7 series, and DVI and VGA on ATI's X1k series. Most importantly, will it support 1366x768. Not 1360x768 and not 1368x768, but exactly 1366x768?

[marysp]

So Archibael...Oh wise one...(From a non-techie who is scared to play with BIOS and regedit)

Toshiba U205-s5067, 2G shared RAM, 945GM Express. External viewsonic va1930wm. VISTA HOME PREMIUM. Best res I can get 1024x 768 which shows barely enough for a desktop publisher to work with. I want native 1440x900. I have toggled in to the output monitor, etc.

In the Intel Graphics accelerator window it says 2 montiors can be supported and I have the Viewsonic connected thru the VGA dynadock. In device manager the viewsonic is recognized (that was only accomplished by downloading Viewsoonic Unsigned, not Vista droivers on their site).

Could it be as simple as connecting the Viewsonic directly to the video port on the computer (vs dock?) or is there a semi-non-techie thing I can do to get the desired resolution?

[marysp]

PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

Yes it was the docking station!!!

SO...if you are having trouble getting an external monitor recognized on your laptop with 945GM express and you are working thru a docking station...DO NOT PANIC...just disconnect the video thru the docking station, put it directly in the computer. You will gind the graphics accelerator in the icon tray then(after reboot) recognizes everyhting and works perfectly.

[ujazz]

I have dell 2007fp, and use gigabyte G965DS mother board with intel GMA 3000 and winXP SP2, video drivers 14.29. It works good, but in 1600x1200 res i see in my monitor some strange waves or flickers like lines... At most time my eyes don't cath this effect, but if i use solid color on a big part of screen (like in photoshop) then i see this lines... it like bad signal on tv... i test my motnitor on over extendent graphic card with VGA out, and with current cabel - in 1600x1200 all OK. And, on smaller resolution all OK. But my work res is 1600x1200, so, what can i do? Is it software problem, or it hardware bug? Thank!

[Aaron_B_Intel]

Sounds like a sync issue to me. Can you run MonInfo? We can force the right sync on your monitor with a DTD if we have to.

[ujazz]

Yes, there is:

Monitor
Windows description......... Dell 2007FP (Analog)
Manufacturer description.... DELL 2007FP
Manufacturer................ Dell

Plug and Play ID............ DELA020
Serial number............... MY54672N03AL
EDID data source............ I2C bus (real-time)

Manufacture date............ 2007, ISO week 8
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
Sync input support.......... Separate, Composite, Sync on green
Screen size................. 410 x 310 mm (~22")
Power management............ Standby, Suspend, Active off/sleep

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2,20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0,640 - Ry 0,330
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0,300 - Gy 0,600
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0,150 - By 0,060
White point (default)....... Wx 0,313 - Wy 0,329

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 30-83kHz
Vertical scan range......... 56-76Hz
Video bandwidth............. 170MHz
Extension blocks............ n/a
Timing recommendation #1.... 1600x1200 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1600x1200" 162,000 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 864 at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
1600 x 1200 at 60Hz - Dell
1600 x 1200 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 10 AC 20 A0 4C 41 33 30
10: 08 11 01 03 0E 29 1F 78 EE EE 91 A3 54 4C 99 26
20: 0F 50 54 A5 4B 00 81 80 A9 40 71 4F 01 01 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 48 3F 40 30 62 B0 32 40 40 C0
40: 13 00 6F 13 11 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FF 00 4D 59 35
50: 34 36 37 32 4E 30 33 41 4C 0A 00 00 00 FC 00 44
60: 45 4C 4C 20 32 30 30 37 46 50 0A 20 00 00 00 FD
70: 00 38 4C 1E 53 11 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 22

Display adapter
Adapter description......... Intel G965 Express Chipset Family
Adapter device ID........... 0x29A28086
Display settings............ 1600x1200, 32bpp



And, this photo illustrated this bug : http://refine.ru/tmp/mon.jpg 120 kb

[Aaron_B_Intel]

Try forcing this DTD using the Wiki instructions from this thread.

48 3F 40 30 62 B0 32 40 40 C0 13 00 6F 13 11 00 00 1E

If the problem still manifests, try varying the last byte (sync) from 1E to 1A, 18, and 1C.

That's the limit of my knowledge, though. Sorry.

[rar]

archibeal, you da man! Thanks for your tips!!! -randy

[Aaron_B_Intel]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Randy.

AB

[lmcnlcy]

Hi All,

Sorry to come so late to all of this. The latest Intel drivers for the G965 claims to allow the 1680x1050 to be chosen but that is not the case for my ACER 22" wide screen LCD. has anybody else managed to get the new drivers to solve this problem?

/LMCNLCY

[Aaron_B_Intel]

What is your system?

Several things could be going wrong: the monitor's EDID may not be reporting 1680x1050 as a supportable resolution, and the Intel driver is likely believing it; Even if the drivers are allowing it, if you're on a pre-built system it's possible the vendor is locking it out with the BIOS. And then there's always the good old "Intel's drivers are being finicky again" answer, in which case I suggest you contact their Customer Service folks to complain.

In any case, you can create a custom resolution per the instructions in this thread, and I'll help out.

[lmcnlcy]

Hi,

Sorry for the very quick post, I will give you more details here.

The PC is one that I upgraded using a new mobo (DG965WH). I had previously used a ASUS mobo with an AGP graphics card. The previous system allowed native resolution 1680x1050 to be set using the NVIDIA setup.

I have just run Moninfo and received very little information (copied here):

Monitor
Hardware information........ n/a
Windows description......... Default Monitor

Display adapter
Adapter description......... Intel G965 Express Chipset Family
Adapter device ID........... 0x29A28086
Display settings............ 1600x900, 32bpp

User/computer information
Registered user name........John
Registered organization.....John
Network user name........... John
Network computer name....... HOME
Windows version ............ Windows XP
Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Installation date .......... 8/28/2007 12:00:00 PM

Nothing else!

However I have noted elsewhere that someone who has my exact monitor has successfully fixed their issue (but with a 945 chipset). I think, following your logic, that the string should work for me. The link is here:

http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/showpost.php?p=45889

Thanks for such a clear and focussed article.

/LMCNLCY

[Aaron_B_Intel]

Glad it's being used and hope it works for you!

AB

[ilias77]

Hi Archibael

I have Intel DG33TL motherboard and 14.32 driver installed. LCD TV connected via DVI (HDMI on TV). Can't select 1360x768 resolution, drivers have only 1280x720 at 85hz,but in that case I have small picture in black box. Drivers have only 1360x765 at 85hz(??), it non-native resolution. I can select it and picture fine, but video runs with some break sync.Can U help me to modify inf? My mon info:

Monitor
Windows description......... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer description.... LCDTV
Manufacturer................ IND

Plug and Play ID............ IND3230
Serial number............... n/a
EDID data source............ Registry (stored)

Manufacture date............ 2005, ISO week 10
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Digital
Sync input support.......... n/a
Screen size................. 710 x 400 mm (~34")
Power management............ n/a

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2,40
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0,647 - Ry 0,331
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0,272 - Gy 0,606
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0,142 - By 0,073
White point (default)....... Wx 0,284 - Wy 0,293

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 30-91kHz
Vertical scan range......... 55-85Hz
Video bandwidth............. 160MHz
Extension blocks............ 1
Timing recommendation #1.... 1280x720 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1280x720" 74,250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #2.... 720x480 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "720x480" 27,000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480 at 67Hz - Mac II
640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
640 x 480 at 85Hz - VESA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
720 x 480 at 60Hz - IND
800 x 600 at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 85Hz - VESA
832 x 624 at 75Hz - Mac II
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 85Hz - VESA
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - IND
1280 x 960 at 85Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
1360 x 765 at 85Hz - VESA
1600 x 1200 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 25 C4 30 32 00 00 00 00
10: 0A 0F 01 03 81 47 28 8C 0A FD 7C A5 54 45 9B 24
20: 12 48 4B BF EF 00 A9 40 81 59 8B D9 61 59 45 59
30: 31 59 01 01 01 01 01 1D 00 72 51 D0 1E 20 6E 28
40: 55 00 C4 8E 21 00 00 1E 8C 0A D0 8A 20 E0 2D 10
50: 10 3E 96 00 C4 8E 21 00 00 18 00 00 00 FC 00 4C
60: 43 44 54 56 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FD
70: 00 37 55 1E 5B 10 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 FB

Raw EDID extension (reserved)
00: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Display adapter
Adapter description......... Intel G33/G31 Express Chipset Family
Adapter device ID........... 0x29C28086
Display settings............ 1360x765, 32bpp

User/computer information
Registered user name........ IL
Registered organization..... Home
Network user name........... IL
Network computer name....... HOME-1A61ABEA30
Windows version ............ Windows XP
Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Installation date .......... n/a

Sorry for my English:)

Regards

Ilya

[Aaron_B_Intel]

Hmmm... difficult to guess what kind of 1360x768 timings your monitor wants since it doesn't list them in the EDID.

You can try one of thegeneric ones:

1B 21 50 A0 51 00 1E 30 48 88 35 00 00 00 00 00 001C 37 01

64 21 50 B0 51 00 1B 30 40 70 36 00 00 00 00 00 00 1E 37 01

[swapino]

Hi, is anybody here who can help me with my LCD monitor SAMSUNG 225MW, i have a problem with conecting a HDMI cable. Could you tell me my string for resolution 1650 x 1080 @ 60, if i'll give you followings info from MONINFO ( this info, is when i'm connecting via D-sub ( VGA ) cable, not via HDMI, but i think that EDID information are same, aren't it ?! )
I tried this string ( + 2 bytes flags ) : 21 39 90 30 62 1A 27 40 68 B0 36 00 DA 28 11 00 00 1C, but it didn't work :(
Thank you very much.

Monitor
Windows description......... SyncMaster 225MW(Digital)
Manufacturer description.... SyncMaster
Manufacturer................ Samsung

Plug and Play ID............ SAM0287
Serial number............... HS1P908678
EDID data source............ Registry (stored)

Manufacture date............ 2007, ISO week 38
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
Sync input support.......... Separate, Composite
Screen size................. 480 x 300 mm (~24")
Power management............ Active off/sleep

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2,20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0,639 - Ry 0,333
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0,289 - Gy 0,597
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0,153 - By 0,082
White point (default)....... Wx 0,313 - Wy 0,329

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 30-81kHz
Vertical scan range......... 56-75Hz
Video bandwidth............. 150MHz
Extension blocks............ n/a
Timing recommendation #1.... 1680x1050 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1680x1050" 146,250 1680 1784 1960 2240 1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480 at 67Hz - Mac II
640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624 at 75Hz - Mac II
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 864 at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870 at 75Hz - Mac II
1280 x 960 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
1680 x 1050 at 60Hz - Samsung
1680 x 1680 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4C 2D 87 02 32 32 52 43
10: 26 11 01 03 0C 30 1E 78 2A 93 41 A3 55 4A 98 27
20: 15 50 54 BF EF 80 B3 00 81 80 81 40 71 4F 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 21 39 90 30 62 1A 27 40 68 B0
4 0: 36 00 DA 28 11 00 00 1C 00 00 00 FD 00 38 4B 1E
50: 51 0F 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC 00 53
60: 79 6E 63 4D 61 73 74 65 72 0A 20 20 00 00 00 FF
70: 00 48 53 31 50 39 30 38 36 37 38 0A 20 20 00 9F

Display adapter
Adapter description......... Mobile Intel 965 Express Chipset Family
Adapter device ID........... 0x2A028086
Display settings............ 1680x1050, 32bpp

User/computer information
Registered user name........ Ondrej Falat
Registered organization..... n/a
Network user name........... Ondrej Falat
Network computer name....... ONDREJFALAT-PC
Windows version ............ Windows 2000
Windows build .............. 6.00.6000
Installation date .......... n/a

[Aaron_B_Intel]

That is indeed the correct DTD for 1680x1050. However, some (it used to be MOST) monitors will not accept their native resolution over HDMI and will only take 1080p or 720p, even if it works over VGA aka Dsub.

[edgar]

This is just a note for anyone reading this thread - I have had a couple of people email me for the driver file that worked for me, after I modified it. So, I have posted it online for anyone who wants it. It is at www.edcayce.com/IntelVideoDriver.zip. I think it is this version:
DriverVer=10/06/2006,6.14.10.4704

It may not be the latest version, but it does work, and now displays 1440x900 without a problem.

Email me if it works for you. If it doesn't, well, you're on your own...

Ed

[fabi_w]

hi archibael,

as next one in the row, i am not sure how to go on. i have run moninfo, these are my results:

onitor
Windows description......... Plug und Play-Monitor
Manufacturer description.... PX-42VR5
Manufacturer................ NEC
????????????????????????????
Plug and Play ID............ NECA4B2
Serial number............... n/a
EDID data source............ Registry (stored)
????????????????????????????
Manufacture date............ 2004, ISO week 28
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Digital
Sync input support.......... n/a
Screen size................. 920 x 520 mm (~44")
Power management............ Active off/sleep

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2,20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0,625 - Ry 0,352
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0,152 - Gy 0,727
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0,147 - By 0,092
White point (default)....... Wx 0,259 - Wy 0,306

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 24-91kHz
Vertical scan range......... 50-120Hz
Video bandwidth............. 160MHz
Extension blocks............ n/a
Timing recommendation #1.... 848x480 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "848x480" 33,750 848 864 976 1088 480 486 494 517 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #2.... 1360x768 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1360x768" 85,500 1360 1424 1536 1792 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 56Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
848 x 480 at 60Hz - NEC
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
1360 x 768 at 60Hz - NEC
1600 x 1200 at 60Hz - VESA

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 38 A3 B2 A4 01 01 01 01
10: 1C 0E 01 03 80 5C 34 78 2A 00 E5 A0 5A 27 BA 25
20: 17 42 4E AF CF 00 81 80 A9 40 01 01 01 01 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 2F 0D 50 F0 30 E0 25 10 10 70
40: 68 00 94 06 32 00 00 1E 66 21 50 B0 51 00 1B 30
50: 40 70 36 00 99 06 32 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FD 00 32
60: 78 18 5B 10 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC
70: 00 50 58 2D 34 32 56 52 35 0A 20 20 20 20 00 D4

Display adapter
Adapter description......... Mobile Intel 945 Express Chipset Family
Adapter device ID........... 0x27A28086
Display settings............ 640x480, 32bpp

User/computer information
Registered user name........n/a
Registe red organization..... n/a
Network user name........... Administrator
Network computer name.......n/a
Windows version ............ Windows XP
Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Installation date .......... n/a

i do not understand what peace of code i wil have to insert in de .inf file now.

I want the monitor to run on 848X480 its native resolution, do you think that is even possible with intels 945 express chipset? checking the windows option, it even shows me the possibility to select 848x480, if i select it, it will show in a window. small window in the middle of the screen, everything around stays black.

I did manage to get it to work with powerstripe by adjusting every single parameter possible in the advanced timing options, but the screen will not always show a picture. somehow it goes black and i can not get it to live again, without rebooting the computer. furthermore, sometimes the computer crashes and after rebbot it will not show a picture because there is a powerstip windows saying that powerstrip was not completly shut down....... only solution: rebootor hook up a standard monitor to even see it. it kind of gets on my nerves.

greatfull for help!

[Aaron_B_Intel]

Through VGA or DVI? I'm not sure DVI will work, and it could well generate the shrunken down screen you've seen.

2F 0D52EE 30 E0 25 10 10 70 68 00 94 06 32 00 00 1E 37 01 (comma delimited)

is what you can place in the DTD_1 variable in the .INF; that and changing TotalDTDCount to 1 should work to get the correct850x480 in place on VGA. Note that the manual says youneed to select "Wide2" on theRGB Select screen or the image will be distorted.

I'd de-install Powerstrip as well. It's a great program, but doesn't do pretty things with Intel graphics.

[fabi_w]

archibael,

wow, i am impressed how easy it is. thanx a lot for you quick response and help!

[fabi_w]

hello archibael,

one more question, if i want the computer to do 1360x768 what line do i have to insert in the drivers .inf file? please look into my previous post for all the moninfo details.

it would be awsome if you could help me again.

many thanx in advanced!