Wattage questions B580

[Puffalo]

I'm Asking a general question about wattage because i have seen some interesting things online.

The RX 9070 uses 230W stock, has 56 "CU"
The RX 9070 XT uses 320W stock, has 64 "CU"
They are physically different cards and the XT mod doesn't enable any extra "CU's"

You can flash the bios from the XT version on the 9070 to allow up to 320w of power draw
When playing games, the Modded 9070 DOES use 320w

Meanwhile, My Limited edition B580 cannot use more then 170W WITH an overclock.

Game: Atomfall (This game has the best optimization I've seen in years) (1440p ultra)

The "Power limit" stock is 190w, i have NEVER hit that limit while playing any game.

Power Utilization when stock:

So how is it that a graphics card that is made to be limited to 230w, can use up to 320w, but my GPU that is made to use 190w (228w at 120% limit) and can barely reach 150w stock on any game i have tried?

Monster hunter wilds for example uses 143w

I don't understand.

This isn't just my card its EVERY B580.

Do we need a bios update? 
Can we add a "Wattage offset" slider into the overclocking software (LOL)

Source: Techpowerup, Canada computers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRr6c68ZyI0
Bios mod Video, results at the end.

THE FINALS 154w

[Earl_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for posting in the communities!

I appreciate you gathering and sharing us your findings regarding to the wattage consumption of our Intel Arc B580.

For me to better understand the root cause of the issue, could you please provide the needed details listed below:

• May I know if your ASPM is enabled or disabled on your BIOS?
• What is the exact model of your power supply?

Once I have this information, I will be able to proceed with the next course of action and work towards resolving the issue you are facing.

Best regards,

Earl E.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

 I did not change any of these settings. If i should enable any, let me know.

My power supply is  nex750b1 (EVGA 80+ 750w supply)
This is the link to my power supply specs

https://www.evga.com/products/specs/psu.aspx?pn=c4bcf041-0984-47ee-81c9-cdc619eeb031

I hope this helps!

[Earl_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for sharing this information with us.

Try enabling your ASPM on the BIOS.

Follow these steps:

For most supported configurations to achieve optimal power consumption configure the BIOS as follows:

• Allow OS controlled ASPM by setting Native ASPM to Enabled.
• Enable PCI Express root port ASPM and select L1 Substates.

Consult your motherboard manual or refer to your motherboard's manufacturer if you are not sure where to locate these settings. Different manufacturers may use different names for the same setting.

Also, configure Windows* Power settings as follows:

• Go to Start > System > Power & sleep.
• Click on Additional power settings.
• Select your preferred plan and click on Change plan settings.
• Click on Change advanced power settings.
• Look for PCI Express.
• Click on the '+' sign next to PCI Express to expand the options.
• Click on the '+' sign next to Link State Power Management to expand the options.
• Select Maximum power savings as the setting using the drop-down menu.
• Click Apply and then OK.

Source link: High Power Consumption when Intel® Arc™ Graphics Card is Idle

Best regards,

Earl E.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

I have enabled ASPM L1
And ASPM is now OS controlled
I have went into my power settings and changed the settings you told me to change.
these are the new results.

ATOMFALL 158w

MONSTER HUNTER WILDS 136w

THE FINALS 154w

Bonus testing.

Normal

70% Power limit, Normal
68% Power limit, Edge of how much power the game is utilizing. (1-2 watts lower?)

65% obvious 7 watt power reduction.

So in monster hunter wilds. in this scene in particular, my gpu is only at 68% of its TDP but at 100% utilization.
Hope this helped!

(chose monster hunter as an example, i could do the same for every game, but you get the idea)

[Earl_Intel]

Hello Puffalo,

I appreciate you performing the testing I recommended.

I'll take a note on your observation and the insights you have notice while using our Intel Arc B580.

Kindly run this on your system so that I can also gauge the following peripherals and the driver versions that you have:

Intel® System Support Utility for Windows*

Once finished downloading, open the tool, click on scan (leave the default items checked), click next, then save the system information to a .txt file. Please provide us the .txt file.

Best regards,

Earl E.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

I would like to Re-iterate that this issue is not limited to just my system, plenty of benchmarks and gameplay on YouTube are showing the exact same results.

So while you may find issue with my system specs, They are not the cause of this issue as they aren't limited to just me.

[Earl_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Thank you for providing the SSU logs.

I further check on this internally and will provide you an update on this thread as soon as I can.

Best regards,

Earl E.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

Thank you, i was using HWinfo to find my total power usage

I'll be looking forward to a response on this.

[Earl_Intel]

Hello Puffalo,

I see that you're using a third-party application. Can you confirm if what you're seeing on HWinfo and Intel Graphics Software the same?

• Go to Performance tab and check the power if the same wattage is showing when playing intensive games.

Kindly give us a screenshot after. This will help me check if there will be a different result on using our IGS.

Best regards,

Earl E.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

I moved to different areas for this comparison.
All the images are with the GPU on Default settings. (unless marked otherwise)

When moving into a harder to render area, power usage goes down.

I have here examples of the Gathering Hub and The windward plains.
I also have an example of looking directly up in the Gathering hub and getting higher power usages.

At the end here, i have an overclocked screenshot.
Even with 60% more voltage and a +350Mhz overclock. im still nowhere near the TDP of 190w

This is just monster hunter wilds, other games have this issue as well, Call of duty warzone i was playing yesterday, and while overclocking with the same settings i was only able to reach 170w of total board usage after playing for an hour and a half, with most of the time it being around 150w (the average was 152w)
I should have taken a screenshot.

Either way i hope this helps and if there is any other examples you need me to provide i will be happy to do so.
 
Important side note: When the intel software reports 146w of usage, the GPU is actually using 190W of total board power, which hits the 100% wattage limit in your software.

Example,
(TBP 190w) (TGP 146w)
Intel software only reports TGP which does not show the entire power usage. 
TBP includes power supplied by the motherboard.

So in your testing, you should look for a target of (146w TGP) to reach the (100% 190w limit), and (175w TGP) to hit the (120% 228W limit.)

[JedG_Intel]

Hi Puffalo,

Earl_Intel is currently away and I'll be handling this thread temporarily. I sincerely appreciate your effort in sharing all this information. It will be extremely helpful for the investigation I will be conducting. I will get back to you as soon as I have an update.

Best regards,

Jed G.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

Thank you for handling the issue, I'm looking forward to hearing updates about what the cause could be.
I will wait for an update to this thread.

[Earl_Intel]

Hello Puffalo,

Thanks for patiently waiting on us.

Our dev team is already working on optimizations for Monster Hunter Wilds, so expect a performance boost with future drivers (no ETA though).

For further reference, you can check this link below:

• Low Performance in Monster Hunter World* with Intel® Arc™ B580

Best regards,

Earl E.

Intel Customer Support Technician

[Puffalo]

Hey there, This issue is not game specific, the power issue spans across every game i have played to date.
Even the new oblivion remastered is having power delivery issue.

Warhammer: Vermintide 2 
The Crew 2
Call of duty warzone
Emulators
Expedition into darkness (it was a playtest)
Devil may cry 1 up to 5
7 days to die
Dark and darker

Literally every single game does not use more then 150w total power
The "Power limit" slider in the overclocking software is literally useless because nothing uses more then 90% of the card's total power

EXCEPT BENCHMARKS