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*9/25/24 - Please go to the following link for the latest updates: Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processor Vmin Instability Issue Root Cause*
*Update 8/26 clarifying support guidance for Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop tray CPU purchases*
*Update 7/29 regarding customer support process guidance (included below as well): https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/Clarification-Update-on-Intel-Core-13th-14th-Gen-Desktop/m-p/1618462
Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.
Intel is committed to making sure all customers who have or are currently experiencing instability symptoms on their 13th and/or 14th Gen desktop processors are supported in the exchange process.
To help streamline the support process, Intel's guidance is as follows:
- For users who purchased 13th/14th Gen-powered desktop systems from OEM/System Integrator - please reach out to your system vendor's customer support team for further assistance.
- For users who purchased boxed 13th/14th Gen desktop processors - please reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.
- For users who purchased tray 13th/14th Gen desktop processors - please reach out to your place of purchase for further assistance.
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ASUS have released a Beta BIOS including the 0x129 microcode for its Z790 boards only. It works on all the processors that fit this board including the 13th and 14th gen K/KF/KS chips.
I would not have any concerns about this BIOS - the Beta status is to allow for feedback from users before releasing a final version. The few times that I have used a Beta BIOS from ASUS I have not had any issues.
The final BIOS versions will be available for all the ASUS motherboards that support Intel 12th, 13th and 14th gen processors. I guess it will only be another week or so before they arrive.
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No, it says "The new BIOS includes Intel microcode 0x129 and adjusts the factory default settings for the non-K processors, enhancing the stability of Intel Core 13th and 14th gen desktop processors."
That and can change the meaning of the whole phrase if read wrongly. Poor wording in such a delicate moment? Yes
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BSOD crashes are rarely due to hardware issues with a processor. They can be triggered by any out of spec code or perceived security threats from obsolete software or device drivers. Windows 11 is particularly subject to security BSOD's due to protections against executing anything perceived as potentially malicious code.
I run an obsolete video editing console built specifically for my NLE in 1991 under a 15+ year old 32 bit driver. It runs via an FTDI RS232 to USB serial adapter. It runs as COM3 in isolated port to port protocol.
I am reverse engineering a modern replacement for these consoles. I use a software package to capture serial codes by setting up a shared serial port configuration in Windows. I can passively monitor the polling strings and responses without issue on COM3, but any control code executed on the console immediately triggers a security BSOD due to the obsolete unregistered driver.
I can monitor the console via the properly registered 64 bit FTDI USB driver without issue.
Updating BIOS only may not cure some BSOD issues if the OS, motherboard chipset, NIC, GPU, audio, accessory hardware or any other system drivers and software are not up to date too. I use a third party utility to scan and keep all drivers up to date since many of them I would not know about otherwise. On my complex setup there are more than 30 of them.
Overclocking systems to maximum perfomance limits is by definition operating them beyond spec and subjecting components to thermal and voltage stresses that would not exist otherwise. So give Intel a break.
If your car had an engine failure because you overrevved it the manufacturer would void the warranty not give you a replacement and extend the warranty.
Intel's native turbomode overvoltage issue is a code issue that is being addressed. Thermal damages from code triggered out of spec operation by either Intel errors or user errors is not automatically an indication of a defect in the CPU silicon.
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MSI has updated beta BIOS with 0x129 code for every L1700 motherboard except the one I have: the Z790MAG Tomahawk MAX WIFI.
Not sure what is up with that.
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Hello, I have just updated the Asus BIOS to version 3802 BETA for the microcode 0x129 update. My CPU is an Intel's 14th-gen Core i7 14700, which is less than 3 months old, and my Asus BIOS currently has Intel's default settings with 'Disabled - Enforce All Limits' under Asus multicore enhancement. The CPU input voltage however is set to AUTO at 1.809 volts, and there is no option to change this. Is this voltage normal or safe for the Core i7 14700? Thank you for your help.
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My 14700 show no evident sign of degradation since April, it never goes up 1.44 volt and I manually set the limits in the bios (306 Amapere, 250 Watts, 96° celsius) ad set an undervolt offset of -0,052 V, that since I bought it…
I still have not updated the bios; I’ll try today.
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Hello,
I bought a MSI Stealth 17 A13V laptop in May and have been plagued with instability issues. My specs are as follows:
Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13900H 2.60 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.7 GB usable)
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
As per the article above, the instability issue exchanges are for desktop systems. Could you please let me know if I can raise a request for an exchange as i have been plagued with BSOD issues since May.
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There's a lot of comments here.
Does anyone happen to know if the E-2400 series Xeon processors are impacted by this?
I'm struggling to find a master list anywhere.
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I only ever read Desktop Processors... so Mobile, Embedded and Server (Raptor Lake, -Refresh) CPUs are not affected?
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I bought my Intel I7 13700k this month - By checking the website my warranty goes until 2029/11/06 - Does that mean mine was produced in 11 June 2024 and i will not have to worry about the corrosion problem?
Also updated my Asus Motherboard to the newest Bios version and using the Intel settings.
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The fact that the warranty starts on 11 June doesn’t mean that it was the day the CPU was produced, it just means that was the day the CPU left Intel facilities (sold to a reseller, for example)…
anyway you don’t have to worry... If you trust what Intel say…………..
P.S. Last Intel microcode update is really sh.i.t.: it took away 17% of performance from my 14700k, with HOTTER temperatures…I reinstated my personal values, with my undervolt, tdp and vid limits, it works way better and I had non crash in 6 months whatsoever.
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Bonjour,
alors comme deja explique j'ai une carte mere Asus Rog STRIX Z790-F Gaming Wifi et Ram Kingston FURY Beast 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s DDR5 CL40 DIMM, du jour au lendemain le pc ne boot plus quand le XMP est activé.
Quand je desactive XMP le pc boot mais la DDR5 ne fonctionne qu'a 4800Mhz. J'ai contact& ASUS qui m'a fait remplacement de la carte mére et toujours le meme probleme, conclusion cela viens du I5 13600K.
J'ai contacté le support Intel qui m'a repondu cela :
If the issue persist, I request you to use "Intel Default Settings" by upgrading latest BIOS from ODM website and checking the BIOS settings on your 600/700 series chipset systems to ensure operation within Intel specifications as detailed below:
Current Excursion Protection (CEP): Enable
Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB): Enable
Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB): Enable
TVB Voltage Optimizations: Enable
ICCMAX Unlimited Bit: Disable
TjMAX Offset: 0
C-States: Enable
AC/DC Load Lines: AC and DC Load Lines must match
ICCMAX: Varies, Never>400A*
ICCMAX_App: Varies*
Power Limits (PL's): Varies*
Please reach out to motherboard manufacturer if you are not able to find the settings mentioned above in the system BIOS.
Probléme, je ne sais pas ou se trouve tous ces reglages dans le bios (et ce n'est pas normal pour un utilisateur lambda de faire ca)
J'ai contacté ASUS pour leur donner la reponse Intel et me dire ou se trouvent ces reglages et je n'ai toujours pas de reponse...
Magnifique systeme de renvoi de responsabilité des 2 coté, mais ASUS a remplacé la carte mere donc +1 pour Asus.
Intel !!!
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Il ne faut absolument pas toucher à tous ces réglages, si vous ne savez pas TRÈS BIEN ce qu'ils signifient et ce que vous faites le risque de tout gâcher est TRÈS ÉLEVÉ, avec possibilité de dégâts GRAVES !
Moi-même, bien que j'ai sous-volté et overclocké le processeur et activé xmp, je n'ai JAMAIS eu besoin de toucher à ces paramètres.
En fait, je vous conseille FORTEMENT de recharger les valeurs par défaut du BIOS (entrez dans le BIOS en appuyant sur F2 au démarrage de l'ordinateur, allez sur la page de sortie et sélectionnez l'option recharger les valeurs par défaut optimales puis enregistrez et quittez), donc
pour être sûr que si vous avez fait des dégâts précédents, nous les réparons, alors, si cela ne résout pas le problème, essayez de changer la RAM avec celles que j'ai recommandées.
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En toute franchise, tu as beaucoup plus de chance que le trouble provienne de ta RAM que du 13600.
Le setting de power management se trouve dans les réglages avancés (F7) et regarde sous l’onglet AI tweaker.
Si tu n’as pas fait d’update de BIOS depuis la mi-août, tu n’auras pas accès à cette option.
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Hello, merci de vos reponses, et Mr_FranCk, a la demande de Asus j'ai effectue un test memoire avec memtest86 et aucun probleme n'a été trouvé, tout etait ok. Et j ai bien mis la derniere version du bios la 2503 de mi-aout.
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le test avec memTest ne veut rien dire: il vous dit seulement et simplement que les modules sont sains, mais il ne peut pas vous dire, et ne vous dira jamais, s'ils se comportent bien ou s'ils sont stables dans votre système... si vous avez changé la carte mère et non vous avez résolu il y a deux cas, soit le processeur est mort, soit la RAM est nulle... Commandez-en deux autres sur Amazon parmi ceux que j'ai recommandés, et essayez-le, vous avez 15 jours pour le retourner gratuitement ... ce sera beaucoup plus rapide et beaucoup moins risqué que de jouer avec des valeurs très délicates dont vous ne savez pas ce qu'elles signifient... toucher les valeurs que vous avez listées précédemment, dans le BIOS, ne fera que vous apporter d'autres problèmes bien plus gros, si tu veux je suis prêt à parier dessus: généralement les valeurs qu'ils vous ont indiquées sont déjà définies ainsi par défaut, attention, ce qu'ils Asus vous ont dit de faire vérifiez simplement que vous ne les avez pas modifiés, en pratique...!
Si vous ne les avez jamais touchés, vous n'avez pas besoin d'y aller et touchez-les!!!
laisse-le (ou remets) ceux par default, pur l’amour de Dieu...!
Ces valeurs (lignes électriques, puissances, valeurs nominales), même les techniciens informatiques professionnels ne changent pas volontairement ces paramètres, sauf si cela est absolument nécessaire, et ces paramètres ne sont généralement modifiés que lorsque l'on essaie d'overclocker les CPU et les mémoires de manière extrême) ; .
Mettez le Bios a le regolations par DEFAULT et changez le RAM: Si cela ne résout pas non plus le problème, essayez de remplacer le processeur, bien que les processeurs AMD aient généralement plus de problèmes avec les profils Expo que les processeurs Intel n'aient de problèmes avec les profils XMP, mais on ne peut pas exclure qu'un dysfonctionnement du processeur puisse provoquer une instabilité XMP. essayez de changer les ram, vous les obtenez sur Amazon, si vous ne résolvez pas le problème vous les renvoyez et cela ne vous coûte pas un euro... C'est le plus simple. Si le problème persiste, j'essaierais alors un autre processeur. Je procéderais absolument de cette façon, évidemment vous faites ce que vous voulez.
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Ce ne sont pas plusieurs setting comme Kal1979 le dit. C'est un seul setting et c'est celui-ci. @Kal1979 Vaudrait mieux te renseigner avant de dire n'importe quoi.
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