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Archibael-I am sorry but I do not believe that the "Larrabbee" project will be flawless with drivers unlike the IGPs. I fear that this problem will continue.Never said they were flawless, just that it was waypremature to judge this early in the product development. And, again, it's a completely separate team from the IGP developers, working directly with gaming companies (among others). I am cautiously optimistic.
This is why ATI/Nvidia managed to become a duopoly with nobody else even close. Their graphics driver is top-notch. It's why companies like Matrox with their Parhelia, and SiS with their discrete products failed to make a splash. Unlike CPUs and chipsets which do not require much of drivers to perform to their peak, drivers are critical to success for a GPU.
I don't disagree with any of this (well, except the implication that the Nvidia/ATI drivers are flawless-- they have their share of issues), and I bring it up with people internally when possible. I'm not in a position to change anything, unfortunately; it's all I can do just to keep up with assisting people cope with video/resolution bugs-- and that's in my spare time.
(It's not directed just to you, its also to Intel)
It's good thing that it looks positive for the discrete one. I just wish that at least some parts(of success)were carried to the integrated graphics. And since Larrabbee looks like a completely different architecture from the X3000, it looks like they'll need to rewrite new drivers all over again. I wonder why they can't keep basic architectures and build upon it to build a foundation. I have a feeling that after X4500, that Intel might completely abandon their IGP architecture and make a new IGP based off low-end Larrabbee core. It feels like a huge waste of money recreating everything. I can understand that for CPUs, because they are not driver dependent, but for GPUs, its a big thing.
Second one. Well I never directly implied that Nvidia/ATI's drivers are flawless. But from a user's point of view and looking at alternatives, I'd say its about the best you can get. I can tell from formatting my G965WH based computer and reinstalling windows everytime and reinstalling from the Intel driver CD, I can tell that Intel is not a software company. This stupid driver CD always creates problems that looks like it should have been fixed a long time ago. Intel motherboards/chipsets are good, but you won't get a novice user to make a top-notch system.
-Sigmatel sound drivers have a stupidly simple problem that looks like it should be fixed, but never seems to be
-Intel driver CD sometimes messes up, and sometimes it screws up bad enough that I cannot install it from the CD anymore. I don't even know how to fix it because what the hell causes CD autorun to suddenly not load properly?? Huh?? So what do I do?? I format. Eventually formatting is a time saving method than trying to figure out obscure methods for solutions myself on the net that might not exist.
-I can't really bypass the CD because Intel's links about drivers aren't all bunched up nicely like the installation CD. Plus, I can't really get onto the internet without installing the drivers in the CD fir st.
Stupid problems like these pisses me off. The Sound driver issue is caused because for some reason it makes TWO identical folders and windows gets confused or something like that. The best was back when I had my 865G system. The CD on the 865G system wouldn't just install drivers on the CD, it would also point out the newest drivers by going online and you can download it from the windows utility without ever typing www.intel.com. Now why does a motherboard that came out 3+ years later don't have that feature?? It's DAMN ANNOYING!!!
I can get around the problems because I care about computers and I am more knowledgeable than the average person. But I feel sorry for those who get Intel Desktop Boards for the stability and quality and find out they can't even do simple things without basic knowledge.
Nvidia/ATI does drivers the WAY IT SHOULD BE. We shouldn't expect problems that plagues the X3000 from a company like Intel. They really know not too much outside of CPU/Fabrication/Chipsets(and no I specifically mean the PCI-Express controller+Memory Controller, not the integrated 3D thing with it).
Dealing with Intel's motherboards and graphics almost sounds like raising a kid. You may get a really good person in the end, but the effort required is tremendous and exhaustive.
(It's not directed just to you, its also to Intel)
It's good thing that it looks positive for the discrete one. I just wish that at least some parts(of success)were carried to the integrated graphics. And since Larrabbee looks like a completely different architecture from the X3000, it looks like they'll need to rewrite new drivers all over again. I wonder why they can't keep basic architectures and build upon it to build a foundation. I have a feeling that after X4500, that Intel might completely abandon their IGP architecture and make a new IGP based off low-end Larrabbee core. It feels like a huge waste of money recreating everything.
Well, this architecture has at least one more generation coming after the X4500, and beyond that it's difficult to predict.
Second one. Well I never directly implied that Nvidia/ATI's drivers are flawless. But from a user's point of view and looking at alternatives, I'd say its about the best you can get. I can tell from formatting my G965WH based computer and reinstalling windows everytime and reinstalling from the Intel driver CD, I can tell that Intel is not a software company. This stupid driver CD always creates problems that looks like it should have been fixed a long time ago. Intel motherboards/chipsets are good, but you won't get a novice user to make a top-notch system.
No argument. The company seems to operate under the assumption that its boards are going into systems built by OEMs, but that's changed. I think we're going to have to cope properly with this change or watch motherboard/chipset revenues dwindle.
-I can't really bypass the CD because Intel's links about drivers aren't all bunched up nicely like the installation CD. Plus, I can't really get onto the internet without installing the drivers in the CD first.
The best was back when I had my 865G system. The CD on the 865G system wouldn't just install drivers on the CD, it would also point out the newest drivers by going online and you can download it from the windows utility without ever typing www.intel.com. Now why does a motherboard that came out 3+ years later don't have that feature?? It's DAMN ANNOYING!!!
Huh. Could swear the install utility in my G965OT did this but it's been a while since I installed.
I can get around the problems because I care about computers and I am more knowledgeable than the average person. But I feel sorry for those who get Intel Desktop Boards for the stability and quality and find out they can't even do simple things without basic knowledge.
Nvidia/ATI does drivers the WAY IT SHOULD BE. We shouldn't expect problems that plagues the X3000 from a company like Intel. They really know not too much outside of CPU/Fabrication/Chipsets(and no I specifically mean the PCI-Express controller+Memory Controller, not the integrated 3D thing with it).
Dealing with Intel's motherboards and graphics almost sounds like raising a kid. You may get a really good person in the end, but the effort required is tremendous and exhaustive.
Fair enough. I share your frustration, all the more so because I work at the same company as tho se who are producing them.
Hello all,
i want to clear my doubts( iam a student and i dont know all abt hardware![smiley [:-)]](/file/6746)
!!!!),
i wanted to know whether GMA X3000 is capable of software mode operation on DIRECTX 10 and upcomming DIRECTX 10.1 games with full texture and lighting???
and whether it supports OPENGL 2.0 completely!!!?? since the description for GMA X3000 is given as OPENGL 1.5+ !!
also whether SHADER MODEL 3.0 CAN BE CHANGED IN HARDWARE using software update to SHADER MODEL 4.0!!??
because i own a DG965RY board and i think i made an mistake because i could have waited for G35 chipset or desktop board to release!!
i want to clear my doubts( iam a student and i dont know all abt hardware
i wanted to know whether GMA X3000 is capable of software mode operation on DIRECTX 10 and upcomming DIRECTX 10.1 games with full texture and lighting???
and whether it supports OPENGL 2.0 completely!!!?? since the description for GMA X3000 is given as OPENGL 1.5+ !!
also whether SHADER MODEL 3.0 CAN BE CHANGED IN HARDWARE using software update to SHADER MODEL 4.0!!??
because i own a DG965RY board and i think i made an mistake because i could have waited for G35 chipset or desktop board to release!!
14.32 drivers have disappeared from the downloads section.Where did the drivers go?????
maybe coz 14.31 is better! i instaleed 14.32 no performance improvement, i even believe that 14.31 was better so im going back to it
2xAA is that a min spec for graphic cards in order to support DX10??
i have GMAX3000 but no AA in it, neither in the GMAX3100, at least games dont recognize it....................... so what now???
got any i idea archi?
No, but its required for DX10.1. And Intel's page reports that the X3100/X3500 will have DX10.1 drivers.
Andu, please stop posting BS.
hello all,
Thankx davidc1,
do u know when will be the NEXT driver with full lighting and texture support for DIRECTX 9.0c and software mode version for DIRECTX 10 will be finally released (atleast an approximation)???and also i think the driver should managed with above features uniformly....(man i am thinking i wasted too much of time for these driver releases and no more interested in it... i think i should switch to other manufacturers for better performance instead of waiting for G35 Desktop board to release, which might again have same problem as GMA X3000 and i dont wanna waste my time any more... and i would like to say to other peoples to buy the things which is properly benchmarked and i suggest the buyers to only belive practically accepted not on theoritical asumptions because they know the value of money...)
It wasn't too long ago that Intel pulled the buggy 14.32 driver. I still have it because I don't have a problem with it but I hope the fixed one is good. Archibael said that the DX10 driver is due in March. From what I read, full support for SM4.0 and OpenGL 2.0 is even later, its like Q3 next year!!
I wouldn't wait for the G35. Initial benchmarks show that it isn't faster than the G965.
